RJJ apart, is Joe Calzaghe the best fighter Hopkins will have faced?

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  1. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My god man thats insane!!:yikes :D

    Tarver was decent but never in Calzaghes class no matter what happens on the 19th!
     
  2. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ugly, ugly massacre! But to be fair it would've been at 168lbs not 160lbs.
     
  3. jc

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    Calzaghe is the best and most dangerous fighter Hop has faced since RJJ.

    Unlike the other names on Hopkins record, Joe is comfortable in and around the weight he will be fighting, is younger and more importantly is still in his fighting prime. You could always make an excuse to why Hopkins won when he fought DLH, Tito, Wright and Tarver. With Calzaghe though, there is no catch, no 'what ifs' or 'but thats', this is why Joe Calzaghe is the best and most dangerous oponent Nard has fought since Jones.
     
  4. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins will deserve HUGE credit if he pulls this off! I think he's clearly and by some considerable distance Hopkins best opponent since Jones.
    But they probably wont as most people would rather pour scorn on Calzaghes nuthuggers than give Hopkins credit.
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    Tito early on in his career was a great boxer ... he also showed that he could box against RJJ.

    He doesn't have the power that he once had but thing is for sure is that Tito can box. He broke guys down with his boxing ability ... going into his reign as WW champion - he had some fights that went past the mid point.
     
  6. fitzgeraldz

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    I think Calzaghe is the fastest fighter outside of RJJ but not the more serious threat and maybe not the best either (now that I think about it)

    looking at Joe's most recent training video ... I wasn't impressed ... all he shows is good speed. His father isn't even properly doing his job ... he's meeting joe's punch midway through his swing which is taking off of the follow through. And he's not throwing straight punches and the angles he's throwing the punches are very shitty angles ... and he keeps looking at the camera's like he's doing something impressive.

    He's getting caught up in his own hype just like Hamed and Hatton ... His training methods are flawed just like Hatton's.

    The best thing that his father's doing for him at this point is getting him in good shape. Other than that once the opening bell rings Joe's on his own.
     
  7. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The trainer isnt doing his job properly?! What a joker.

    Enzo trained him to win several national amatuer titles, in various weight classes before turning pro winning the world title, having 20 title defences while remaining unedfeated aswel as win the other 3 major world championship belts and the Ring belt. Whatever anybody thinks of Enzo Calzaghe as a person he is quite obviously doing a great job as a trainer.
     
  8. Sebastien

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    Yes. Because Oscar can box and has better fundamentals that Calzaghe. Calzaghe will get dominated. Its one case of a fighter who was very good at beating a bunch of good and average fighters, but who will have all his flaws exposed when he faces a great fighter, something he hasn't done yet.

    You'll wonder what was so special about Calzaghe after this fight. You'll say he looked like ****, must've broken his hand, or "grew old overnight". You'll be wrong. He'll be in top shape. The outcome will be decided by boxing fundamentals coupled with a great boxing mind. Hopkins will use distance, timing, angles to disrupt Calzaghe's rythm. All of Calzaghe's opponents so far have let themselves fall into Calzaghe's rythm. Bernard won't. Bernard will spoil it. Move in, move out, circle, Clinch, spin, couple of dirty shots, make him worry about incoming head, make him self-conscious....

    Self-consciousness... something Calzaghe probably never had to experience... happens when you meet the unknown. When he realizes that his knuckles (or palms) are just not making contact, when he realizes that he never feels he's in position to throw more than one shot, when he starts worrying about Hopkins' third fist (head), tries to slip it only to get tagged by Hop's fist... when he gets punched in clinches, and feels his muscle tire like never before, when he realizes the referee ain't doing **** because Hopkins is doing all this in too subtle a way.... he'll get angry, he'll get sloppy, he'll try to knock Hop's head off... and he'll lose.
     
  9. Sebastien

    Sebastien Active Member Full Member

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    Precisely
     
  10. jc

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  11. Tettsuo

    Tettsuo Active Member Full Member

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    Crap! I thought I could pick more than one... I wanted to pick Winky and Felix. :?
     
  12. Sebastien

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    Careful. Tarver can time his shots very well and he's a very heavy handed puncher. I think Calzaghe is better, but Tarver is a very big guy and very agile also.
     
  13. Sebastien

    Sebastien Active Member Full Member

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    speachless...*****?
     
  14. cjk44

    cjk44 Member Full Member

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    You really believe oscar would beat Joe :D, on a p4p level but not in reality
     
  15. cjk44

    cjk44 Member Full Member

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    have you not seen the Felix strum fight.