RJJ- Gene Tunney

Ooooo ! This is hard , I have Tunney as number 2 LHW ATG (just opinion) , h2h i dont know , Tunney could punch and was very clever and also tough . I will pick Jones though , not that he ever did much at 175 to prove he would beat Tunney , just naturally gifted so im pivking him for it

 

Gene Tunney, as our magical time machine also comes equipped with a foolproof test for steroids and other anabolic agents. Deprived of his pharmacological edge, Jones cannot compete with a man who went nose-to-nose with Harry Greb on multiple occasions and arguably got the best of the series.

 

Tunney was outboxed by green Tommy Loughran and had a close controversial decision with Delaney, neither of whom were as good and skillful as Jones.

 

roy wins via color-line ducking.

 

Loughran one of the greatest 175 pounders ever , even if he was green , that was a great WIN FOR TUNNEY - well thats what all the newspaper reports say , and Loughran was down aswell

 

Outboxed my eye. Even with the hometown crowd behind him Loughran lost fairly.

"PHILADELPHIA, Aug. 24.--Gene Tunney of New York, weighing 173 pounds, was entitled to the verdict over Tommy Loughran of this city, 163, at the end of the eighth round in the Phillies' ball park here tonight, but his margin of superiority was not large."

- NYT, 25 Aug 1922

"Gene Tunney, of New York, had the better of Tommy Loughran, the youthful local sensation at the end of their eight-round bout tonight at the Philadelphia Nationals ball park."

- Washington Post, 25 Aug 1922

"Tunney of New York, light heavyweight champion of America, defeated Tommy Loughran of Philadelphia in an last night in the opinion of a majority of sportswriters at the ringside."

- Lima (OH) News, 25 Aug 1922

Still, Loughran, one of the most magnificent scientific boxers to ever step through the ropes, was obviously "green", with only 28 professional fights on his official record. :roll:

 

Local source:

LOUGHRAN WINS BY RALLY AFTER BEING FLOORED BY TUNNEY

Tommy Outboxes Gene in Sensational Bout After Weathering a Stormy First Round. Local Boy's Great Finish in 7th and 8th Sessions Thrills 22,000 Fans

By PERRY LEWIS

RISING from the ashes of defeat, groggy and spent, Tommy Loughran, middleweight pride of Philadelphia, fought his way to a hair-line decision over Gene Tunney, former light heavyweight champion of America, in eight vicious rounds at the Phillies' tall park last night.
Early in the first round Loughran stepped into a vicious right lead as he was coming in. Tunney's big fist landed flush on the point of the Loughran jaw, and down went the local youth as though tagged with an axe. The fallen gladiator was hovering on the verge of unconciousness, groggy and looking out upon a sea of 22,000 faces with glazed eyes, but, nevertheless, he assayed to arise without taking a count.
Had Loughran succeeded in standing erect, he would undoubtedly have been knocked out then and there. His knees, however, were just clear of the floor when he heard the frenzied cries of his seconds to stay down for the count. Tommy heeded, and after taking the full count, arose to achieve ultimate victory, the most notable triumph of his dazzling career.

Landed Cleaner Blows

For Loughran won: not by a wide margin, for the fight was as close as the newspaper persons parked to Bay nothing of packed, around the ringside. He won because he landed the cleaner and sharper blows. He won because of his amazing rally in the seventh and eighth rounds. He won by virtue of his superior ringcraft and masterly defense. To those far removed from the ringside it must have seemed that Tunney was handing Loughran a lacing. He did punch Tommy hard a number of times, but many blows which, from a distance appeared to reach the target, were either blocked, were short or they simply brushed the Philadelphian without doing any real harm.

Loughran entered the ring weighing 163 pounds, and Tunney was just ten pounds heavier and looked it. And Gene did not fail to take every advantage of this added poundage. He was on top of the Philadelphian all of the time, lying on him and wearing him down. Nevertheless, Loughran seldom failed to completely tie the New Yorker up at close quarters, and at the end of the bout his exhaustion was due more to the mauling Tunney gave him than to the gloves he had stopped.

Loughran Lands Cleaner Punches

Although Loughran landed often and hard on his opponent, pecking away at Tunney's mouth with that rapier-like left jab and finding a target for many rights, the former champion was at no time in danger. The Philadelphian has not yet developed enough of a punch to do more than annoy such a boxer as Tunney, but be did land many more cleaner and sharper blow's than his adversary.

On the other hand, Loughran was always in danger. Tunney is a hard hitter, sufficiently hard to knock a Loughran out of the ball park could he have landed. That one murderous punch in the first round right to the button is a case in point. It was per-best blow Tunney landed. It was perfectly timed and delivered with the force of a pile driver, nnd Loughran could not have taken another one like it at any time during the action.

To the end Gene tried manfully to get that right to the jaw again, and although he realized early that Loughran could not hurt him seriously, he could not make the grade, all of which is very eloquent testimony of the soundness of the Philadelphian's defense.

Tunney's Mouth Damaged

Longhran's left jab was working in all its pristine glory, which is recording a pageful. Early in the bout the local left drew blood from the big boy's mouth, and to the end the damaged featured dripped gore. Every time Tunney's seconds succeeded in cleaning up their warrior's face, Loughran was waiting out there with a few more left jabs to mess things up again.

As the scrivener recorded the thing, Tunney carried the first and the sixth rounds. The third and the fifth were even. Loughran had a mere shade the best of the second and fourth and thus they went into the seventh all even. It was the local lad's dazzling rally in those last two rounds which entitled him to a hair-line decision.

Where Loughran found the strength and stamina to finish as he did is a mystery. It was the hardest fight he ever had. He had been knocked flat in the first round. For six rounds he had been waging a grueling battle against a man ten pounds heavier than he, and a man who knew best how to use those ten pounds. And yet, Loughran had enough left to go out in the last two rounds and edge under the wire a winner.

The Boxer Won

It was simply a case of a little man and a master boxer, but lacking in a dangerous punch, in there against a big man with a wallop but of far less boxing skill. The little man avoided a punch which would have been certain to ruin him and meantime scored enough himself to win.

He outboxed his big rival.

Probably in a longer bout Loughran would be beaten down and knocked out by Tunney. But last night the boys were boxing eight rounds.

The biggest crowd of the outdoor season jammed its way into the ball park to see Loughran and Tunney maul each other, and for a few minutes it seemed certain that all hands would be disappointed. The weather was so threatening that the promoters elected to put on the windup before the Chaney-France melee, and then, when a few drops fell as Brown and Pal Moran were mingling, they shortened that brawl to six rounds and they went ahead with the heavy stuff.

 

Senya , that took a while , have you just typed that up ?!!! Kidding , everything ive ever read said Tunney won it

 

Jones by UD.:good

 

My guess is you either read non-primary sources or those short "fights last night" non-local clippings, like the ones posted above. Even those who gave the fight to Tunney only did this by hairline decision, admitting that Loughran was more clever and skillful than Tunney, but was much smaller and less experienced

 

Jones has what I would call a "physical freaks chance" against anybody of 175 lbs just as Harry Greb did.

I think the most likley scenario however is that Tunney figures out his style before the fight, develops the right strategy and stops Jones.

 

So Loughran's hometown paper gave him the edge in a close hometown fight, while other papers gave Tunney the nod? Yeah, that's excellent evidence that "Tunney was outboxed by green Tommy Loughran". The best any honest man could say would be, "Tunney was given a stiff challenge by rising contender Loughran on his way to a hard-earned victory."

 

I fail to see why either should be compared to Jones stylisticaly.

 

Or pharmacologically.