RJJ is fighting today....

The Hopkins fight was 5 years ago.

Any evidence he actually has money problems nowadays?

Floyd and Manny have had tax issues too, but I dont think either of them are broke.
Having tax issues doesnt mean you actually have no money

 

http://www.foxsports.com/boxing/story/Roy-Jones-Jr-back-taxes-040711

 

If Jones was financially secure he would of turned down that fight, especially under the terms it was offered to him

I did not say that. I said he got paid NOTHING. As in $0.0000

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Bernard_Hopkins_vs._Roy_Jones_Jr._(2nd_meeting)

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hopkins-jones-ii-better-never-than-late
Jones must of been desperate for money to accept that deal

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Where was he going to go after the Hopkins loss?

He had already been blacklisted by the major cable networks like Showtime and HBO. All of those independent ppv fights he had against the likes of Badi, Lacy and Sheika had all flopped. The Max Alexander fight was rejected by EVERY single network it was taken to. It's the reason it ended up being streamed on the internet

The fights from EE were basically Jones's last lifeline. The problem with those fights were that they are few and far in-between. Do you think it was by choice that he was taking such large breaks in between fights?

Do you have any idea how serious it is to have a outstanding debt with the IRS? Do you actually think it is by choice that Jones has not paid his debt? That debt is accruing interest. On top of that if the debt remains unpaid for a long amount of time than the IRS will resort to extreme methods to reclaim it like accessing his bank accounts on a monthly basis or intercepting his wages. They also have to right to seize his property and they don't even need a court order to do any of the above actions. By law all they have to do is notify you that they are going to do it.

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Flip Homansky(former ringside physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission.) before the Hopkins II fight

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hopkins-jones-ii-better-never-than-late

Jones would basically support this statement when he admitted early Feb 2011 that the repeated blows to his head had upset his sense of balance and that he had been looking for treatment for over 4 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrINEf5-XHk

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=21302

And this was before the Lebedev fight. Do you actually think his condition has improved since then or deteriorated?

 

December 23, 2013

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/10185679/roy-jones-jr-trudges-win

I think it does when you owe money from over 10 years ago

 

The Lebedev fight was the last chance he had to make that kind of money. Where else was he going to make 500K?

This is the same Jones who back in 02 turned down the Jirov fight claiming that 4m was not enough. He then goes to Russia for 500k

This is the same Jones who turned down the Hopkins fight back in 06 claiming that h the purse split of 67-33% in Hopkins favour was unfair. He then goes and fights Hopkins for nothing

This is the same Jones who demanded 25m to fight D.M In Germany, but was willing to fight in Poland for a 45K guarantee.

That fight last week was not showed on TV or even streamed on the internet. How much do you think he actually got for it? At most he got a few grand. When you are millions in debt you need more than a few grand

What Jones are we talking about here. The same one who admitted back in 96 that he was scared of getting brain damaged. The same one who admitted to having early signs of possible brain damage back in 2011?

 

Who expected the Hopkins rematch to do well?

Nobody!

Nobody wanted the fight apart from Hopkins, to avenge his defeat.

Even Nazim Richardson didn't want the fight.

Do you think that Roy and John Wirt didn't know about all of the stipulations going into the fight?

Has it ever occurred to you, that Roy wanted to shut Hopkins up, and move on to bigger and better things afterwards if he won?

None of what you say makes any sense.

You say that Roy was so desperate, he had to take the fight.

So the fight bombed, he was desperate for money, yet he didn't fight for over a year later, because there was NO AVAILABLE FIGHT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD?

Please!

https://onthebeakdotcom.wordpress.com/tag/john-wirt/


How much do you think he got for Lebedev, the internet streamed Alexander fight, and the Glazewski fight?

Yet after Glazewski, despite (according to you) being absolutely desperate for money, he had 18 months out of the ring.

Are you again going to tell me that John Wirt or Vlad Hryunov were unable to get Roy a fight anywhere in the world for 18 months?

Nobody is buying that.


Regarding the tax bill, give us some updated info.


If you listened to any of Roy's interviews, you'd realise that he doesn't want to give up the thing he loves just yet.

I've no doubt whatsoever that if Roy was the richest man in the world, he'd still be fighting, because he loves it, and he can still fight at a certain level.


:good

 

Which explains why he has been fighting all of these years

It was his rap foray that was partly responsible for the mess that he is in

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/12/14/roy-jones

 

I doubt he is broke Pensacola real estate is pretty but then again Zod do you have video evidence to support all this

 

You aren't showing me anything that I don't know already.

I said that Roy HIMSELF feels great, and he doesn't want to let go yet.

Go and watch his recent interviews and him training etc.

He's recently be telling everyone how he's as fast now, as he was years ago.

He's been quoting how god has given him a gift etc, and he doesn't want to retire while he's still got gas left in his tank.

That fact that he tried to address his balance issues and hired two trainers after Merk, tells you that he had no intention of stopping.

I'm not saying to you that he doesn't need or want money, I'm saying that it wouldn't make any difference.

It's crystal clear that he's not fighting solely for the money.

 

That's just Dan Rafael's opinion.

How does that dispute any of what I've wrote?

 

general zod,

It's the same old story with you.

He had to fight Lebedev right, because he had no choice? Just like he had no choice but to fight Tarver, Calzaghe and Hopkins?

He took Lebedev because he wanted a crack at the CW title, and Lebedev was highly ranked.

That was a year after being out of the ring.

Don't tell me that he couldn't have fought easier opposition more often.

You won't give him credit for anything.

This is where you're going wrong.

No, it's not the same Roy Jones.

How can you compare his circumstances and his demands from when he was the best fighter in the world in his early 30's, to when he was past his best in his 40's??

His circumstances have changed over the years.

You can't compare 2002-2011.

You're an intelligent guy, you know this.

I agree.

But it's a keep busy confidence booster, because he's talked himself into having a title fight at the end of the year.

But why wasn't he having 2-4 of these type of fights every year, for the last 5 years?

It's complete nonsense to claim that he had to have 2 and a half years out of the ring, because there was nothing out there for him.

The type of fight that he had a few weeks ago would always be open for him somewhere in the world.

Times change.

The problem with making claims like that when you're 27, is that at the time, your 40's is a long, long way away.

Roy has got a 46 year old body, but the mindset of a young guy.

 

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Jones obviously hoped it would do amazing sales, because that would be the only way there would be any money after GB had pocketed the first 3.5m.

It was Jones that pursued that fight. He was the one who got the ball rolling when he hijacked that Hopkins interview to goad him into fighting him

What has that got to do with the fact that Jones took a fight where he knew there was a good chance he would get paid nothing?

Of course they knew what the stipulations were. They obviously read the contracts before they signed them........or did they:huh

And has it occurred to you that the 2.9m tax lien the IRS applied to his property in 08 may have had something to do with him taking that fight?

Jones was coming off a ko loss to a c level fighter. He should not of even been allowed to fight that soon. There is no way that the concussion he got from the ko would of healed by the time he started training for the Hopkins fight

Any everything you say makes sense?

Think IRS

All of his independent ppv's bombed making it financially unviable to continue fighting the likes of Sheika and Lacy on ppv

He had burned his bridges with Comcast, HBO and Showtime

Where was he going to go from there? As I said before that Lebedev purse was his last chance to make that kind of money.

If there were really decent offers for other fights then he would not have taken that Hopkins fight under the terms he agreed to.

He got 500k for the Lebedev fight. I think its safe to assume that the Alexander fight bombed, so he would not of made much from it. He would of got around 50k for the Glazewski fight

Because as we all know taking big breaks in between fights means you are financially secure?

He was hit with another tax lein in 2011 for 600k, from unpaid taxes dating back to 08, telling you just how financially secure he really was

He went to Poland for around 50k. I think I can safely say that there could not of been many decent offers on the table

How on earth would I have access to that kind of info? I'm not his accountant

Because as we all know Saint Jones never lies about anythingatsch

 

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For the record I never claimed he was broke rather I said he had financial issues

 

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