RJJ is fighting today....

How do you know what he really feels? Just because Jones says something does not make it true.

How do you go from feeling the early signs of brain damage to getting hit in the head for another 3 years and feeling great?:huh

His balance issues will not be resolved by quack methods that "docter" was using. Cranial movement? Really?

Merk could of left him because he believed that it was time for Jones to stop

And how could you possibly know something like that? Jones is not a saint. He is on record lying about a number of things. In fact how many fighters are willing to go on record and admit they they have squandered their ring earnings?

 

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The fanbase of Roy Jones Jr can get out of hand sometimes, and lately they have made some progress in questioning recieved ESB-wisdom about Roys career. I mean, here I peacefully log on in order to have some down to earth debates about boxing, and the next thing I know is that I'm dragged into arguments with Roy fans saying he was the GOAT when it came to footwork, and that he could have moved up to HW and threatened the Klitschko brothers :twisted:

If the myth about Roys late career bravery can be taken apart, it would be a step in the right direction.

 

No I know ...Just thought I'd have some fun with that video evidence line since that's the only way one can be credible around here ..Here is what I find funny so Roy said he lost money on his rap career due to piracy my question is who the hell pirated his music atsch

 

Hope he gets a shot at Huck and that its over quick and then he retires and becomes a commentator,or a trainer, or a promotor or why not all three.

 

It's a bit horrifying that he refears to his rapping as a career, I think. I mean, even the most notorious Roy critics surely understand that he was a great boxer, but his rapping, man, it was cringy.

 

general zod,

Of course he hoped, but credit him and John Wirt with having some business acumen. Again, nobody expected it to be anything but a flop. The fight got trashed on various websites and forums. I can only think that the only reason Oscar had anything to do with it, was because Hopkins is part of GPB and he tormented for it.

Roy obviously knew that there'd be a good chance that he wouldn't have made anything.

Yet he took it.

So what does that tell you?

He either just went in there praying it would do huge numbers, or he wanted to shut Hopkins up, knowing that if he beat him again, he could move on to bigger and better things.

Hopkins spoke of wanting Roy in 2008. He publicly called for the winner of Roy vs Joe. He just couldn't leave it alone. But after Roy's performance against Joe in 2008, he said that Roy was no longer able to do the things he could do before, and a rematch would be pointless. Yet the following year, GBP had written up a contract, and even after Roy had been stopped in a round by Danny Green, Hopkins told the media that Roy had been hard done to in Australia and that the fight was still relevant. In the build up to one of Hopkins's recent fights on BoxNation, Steve Bunce told the viewers of how Hopkins had told him that Roy was on his mind almost every day since the defeat to him in 1993. Again, Naz Richardson also couldn't understand why he wanted it. But he was absolutely obsessed with trying to avenge his defeat.

Again, what does that tell you?

He took a fight which made him nothing. After training expenses etc, he'd have been out of pocket. So he took it, but then didn't fight for another year, because there was no fight available anywhere in the world? It's laughable.

If he was that desperate for the money, would he have:

A - taken the Hopkins fight, hoping he'd make something?

B - taken a lower profile fight against a C/D class fighter that guaranteed him money, even if it was only a small amount?

I've posted you a link where John Wirt said they were happy to sit back, and they had other offers apart from the Lebedev fight.

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What does that tell you about Bernard Hopkins?

Yes, what I've said makes perfect sense.

You've said that Roy fought the other week, and made probably only a few thousand dollars, but when you're in debt, it helps.

Which I agree with entirely.

But in the last five years, Roy's been inactive for two and a half years.

Yet you're trying to imply that the only reason for that, was because John Wirt and Wlad Hyrnov were unable to get him ANY fights.

Which is complete and utter nonsense.

Do you seriously believe that Roy, who according to you was desperate for money, couldn't get a fight with any fighter in the world for a period of two and half years?

He's just fought two weeks ago, and he's fighting again next week.

The caliber of guys who he's recently been fighting, would always have been open to him, for a few thousand dollars.

A guy who's desperate for money, could not afford to have a year and then a further 18 months out of the ring.

A guy in that position, would be fighting four Max Alexander type opponents per year just to try and get by.

His independant PPV's were never aimed at a large audience. He was 40 fighting B class fighters.

But again, you've said he made a minimal amount a few weeks ago.

I believe that he made minimal amounts in the Sheika type fights.

We're just going around in circles.

He made nothing for Hopkins, but he didn't fight again for another year, because in your opinion, there was just nobody to fight?

It's ridiculous.

I agree.

But again, he didn't fight again after Glazewski for another 18 months.

So how much money did he make from 2010-2013?

No, but again, don't tell me that Roy was out of the ring for two and a half years in total, because there was no fight available for him anywhere in the world.

Yet from when that was issued, he only fought Alexander and Glazewski within a period of 18 months.

He went to Poland to originally fight David Kostecki, in the hope that a victory would have led him to a CW title shot.

Again, after Glazewski, he did nothing for 18 months.

A fighter does not spend 18 months out of the ring if he's desperate for money, unless he's injured.

Fair enough. But in order to take this debate any further, you need access to that information.

Because all you've got is a link that's four years old.

If you've got either the time or the patience, go and check out any interview with him from the last few months.

It's clear that he loves what he does and he's motivated.

Apparently he's been out to California where he's been working on his speed, and he's been trying to tell everyone that he's as fast as he was at 26.




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I respect your opinion, but I don't know why you've applauded his post.

How on earth can you do direct comparisons between Roy's circumstances in 2002, to what his circumstances were in 2011?

Has it not occurred to you both that he took the Lebedev fight, not just because he was desperate for the money, but because he genuinely wanted to move up the CW rankings to get title shot?


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general zod,

See for yourself.

How do you go from saying you're not not going to fight for a long time when you're 26, to still lacing them up 20 years later?

He's got a huge ego, and he's in great shape for his age, and he's proven that he can still perform at a certain level.

I agree.

But we're looking from a different perspective.

We're not in his shoes.

All logic goes out of the window doesn't it?

I once when out with a girl, and my dad tried to politely tell me on numerous occasions, that there's no way it was going to work out. My cousin also told me the same, as well as my friends. And they are all people who I love, trust and respect. But it didn't make a difference, because all I saw was a big pair of t*ts, and I wanted her bad. In the end, we broke up, and they'd been right all along. But I couldn't see it, or I didn't want to. And I was in my 20's at the time, and considered myself to be quite intelligent.

Ha!

It's the same with Roy.

He's not taking a step back and looking at things logically, he's caught up in the moment of it all.

How do you tell a guy who's been boxing since he was a kid, that he should be retiring?

If he's capable of beating other professional fighters, and he feels good about himself, he's not going to listen.

I believe that that's what happened.

But he's now on to his second trainer after Merk.

I don't know anything about the guy, but he must be telling Roy what he wants to hear.

How do I know?

Because I'm a huge fan who watches every interview, and every recorded training session etc. In my spare time, I go out of my way to find out any information on him.

Again, you can see for yourself.

He's telling the media he feels like he's in his 20's, and he can't wait to have another tune up before he hopefully gets a title shot at the end of the year.

It's written all over his face that he's enjoying life at the moment.


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I think you need to take financial circumstances/desperation into consideration when you ****yze the later part of Roys career. I'm sceptical about viewing his acting as bravado. Truth is, Roy shouldn't be fighting anymore. Save from financial needs, it may be a question about him beeing addicted to what limelight he still can get. That would mean he just keeps boxing no matter what happends to him, because he doesn't know how to resort to a normal life. This is something else than go out there and prove yourself, and shouldn't be confused with it.

 

He shouldn't be fighting anymore.

He is addicted to the limelight.

He clearly isn't fighting on solely for the money.

You can see that by viewing any recent interview, and looking at his resume.


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Good post.

I respect your opinion.

Whatever happens, I just don't want to see him get hurt.


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Agreeing with a fans of Roy Jones Jr is somewhat against my principles. (Especially if they think he could challenge the Klitschko brothers). Unfortunately, everythings that endorse the idea of Roy beeing great belittles the accomplishments of Joe Calzaghe (46-0) in comparasion, and this can't be overlooked

This said, some room must be left to an unbiased understanding of things, and Roys need of attention clearly plays a part. This may even be worth some small amount on consideration when ****yzing why certain fights didn't get made during his best run. Beeing a bit thick, mule headed and high on his staredom may have been a issue, rather than a calculated decision to avoid everyone who can crack. I mean, someone who can't be ****d to train properly before getting in the ring with Antonio Tarver seems delusional rather than scared. There will of course always be some questionmarks remaining, like the curious period of time Roy decided to finally take on James Toney.

But how many boxers are saints, really? Even a supposedly great sportsman like Wladimir Klitschko had David Haye fight his way through the crowd before their fight. (Yeah, that part of Hayes excuses I actually believe. Maybe it wasn't Wlad idea, but it sure was a ****ty move.)