RJJ is fighting today....

AnotherFan,

Ha!

Are you referring to me or someone else?

We've spoke about the K Bros on my other thread, and I'll reply to you posts on that shortly. All I've said is that his speed would have bothered them to a certain degree, and I don't think they'd instantly have knocked him out.

What's Joe got to do with anything?

Roy may look back on his career with a few regrets. But I don't think he truly avoided anyone in his prime because he was scared of losing to them.

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I'm referring to you.

I don't think he'd get KO'd straight away either, but it's a freak match up.

All roads of ESB goes to Joe Calzaghe (46-0).

Fighting top level fighters, especially abroad, must mean some huge pressure even if you're confident in your ability. I think it would be naiv to believe that Roy, or any other belt holder, is above milking their titels for a few easy mandatory fights. Especially if they're paid well.

I know you wouldn't call it a duck because it may not be about all consuming fear, but I think it's about boxers going easy on themselves.

 

AnotherFan,

Your post reads as though I'd said that Roy would have beaten the K's. But I didn't say that.

I agree. But I think Wlad would have been cautious of his speed.

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Yes, it would mean a lot of pressure.

Roy had many easy fights, and they were great paydays for him, with little risk. But he has a huge ego, and he hated the criticism he got for it. But that criticism was based on nothing but frustration from the fans and media. Of course they wanted to see him have big, challenging fights. I was the same as anyone else. But he had mandatory obligations from three organisations, and I've provided more than enough proof since I've been a member, that he did pursue better fights. I've proven that he wasn't just content to face the Frazier's of the world.

Everyone's circumstances are different, and there's many factors to consider.


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???????
And how would you know that?

Do you really think that Jones was able to conjure up $3.5m in the last 4 years?

 

The fact that Jones owes taxes from so far back should tell you that he does not have the money to pay it. He is not in the same boat as Mayweather who just has to take another fight to make things right with the tax man. He needed to put together some form of payment plan and that 500k surely would of helped. Where else would he have gotten that kind of money? I doubt if the combined purses from Alexander to Williams come anywhere close to $500k

And how could you possibly know something like that?

Jones is not a saint. He is on record lying about numerous things. So you cannot play the everything Jones says is true card here

Lets look at this logically

You are $3.5m in debt and the IRS has made a legal claim to your property for the amount owned. If you do not work out some arrangement you are going to lose your farm, house , cars etc.
Are you really going to then take a voluntary break for 12 months?
You keep on going on about fighting easier opposition but what is the point of those fights? They are completely pointless if they take place in America where Jones has NO TV backing. What's the point of getting punched in the head for a few grand?

 

what kind of payments is he making? he should be giving them about 5 grand a year until he can pay it off in a lump one day. As long as he paying something they cant take **** from him. unless he made some stupid agreement to make a outrageous amount per year.

 

Of course they have. He no longer has a HBO contract and he is millions of dollars in debt.

Why do you keep missing the point?

Jones needs big money fights not those pointless keep busy fights that make no real dent in his debts. And as I said before he has not had a big money fight since Lebedev.

How does that change anything?

He said himself in the Dark Trade that he was scared of getting badly injured in the ring. Since then he has been ko 4 times. Do you think his fears have now faded?

The Dark Trade page 357

 

I don't think that is true. The IRS have some serious powers to reclaim money owned. They can take money from your wages and even seize your property to pay off back taxes

 

Y'all must of forgot:smoke

 

Posters here have posted that?

HBO's philosophy in the 90's was to have the dominant fighters from each division on a long term contract with the network. In Jones's case it was $3m for 6 fights or something like that. The problem with the contracts is they they encourage the very abuse that HBO did not want. If I know there is $3m on the table no matter who I face then why should I go out of my way to make risky fights.

Things are a bit different though when you no longer have a contract and you have serious debts to pay

 

Yes! The Klitschko brothers would have been troubled by his speed they say. The bro's wouldn't have an easy time, they say.

Believe it or not, I sometimes have more importent things to do than posting on ESB, but in order to reply on the statements above, I cancelled some of it. Don't believe I tolerate people being wrong on the Internet just like that :twisted:

 

Could the OP do us a favor and title edit to "RJJ fought on __/__ (whatever the date was)"?

If someone didn't know any better and kept seeing this bumped they might think Jones was boxing on a daily basis, like some kind of 19th century barnstorming pug. :yep

 

Date's booked. Pensacola Bay Center, this Saturday.

The opponent is Paul Vasquez, who is a childhood friend of forum poster "David Fanning".

Vasquez is a decent trier. He upset 16-1 Mark Tucker last year and held Elvir Muriqi to a majority decision in 2013. He's coming off consecutive KO1 losses, however.

 

jones is on a runawy train to dementia..may already be there.