RJJ is the not the GOAT, but he is the best fighter ever

They wouldnt get to a prime RJJ to find out about his jaw.
The guy was 15 years, and 50 fights deep into his career before anyone knocked him out. Prime James Toney,Bernard Hopkins and others couldnt crack that supposed glass.

Hes fought 64 times(mostly at world title level) and been stopped 4 times(all after his 35th birthday). Chin seems respectable enough to me...

 

So you are saying there in no way any other ATG could get to Roy's Glass Jaw? :huh



Like I said we are not talking about Glen Kelly or Clinton Woods here. We are talking ATG's that have power, speed, skills, and a Chin.

Jones would get smashed by several ATG's. His Chin would not hold up.

 

Stop there, this is not the same atsch

Chris Byrd moved down to LHW in 2008, when he was 38 years old! Before moving down to LHW, he had already suffered brutal beatings from Ibeabuchi, Klitschko (x2), and in his previous fight he got stopped by Povetkin. He was terrible at 175 because he was already shot to ****, and had already been stopped a few times by that point anyway.

Jones had never been stopped, or had never been in any kind of war, or taken any beatings by the time he got stopped by Tarver and Johnson.

To the guy who stated Roy beat Gonzalez who beat Darius, funny how you ignore that Darius was shot and retired after that. If I state Sven Ottke beat Glen Johnson, and Glen Johnson stopped Roy Jones does that prove to you that Ottke is better?

Roy Jones is not the greatest fighter ever, the man in my avatar Tommy Hearns was better than Roy Jones, and Hearns isn't the greatest fighter ever either

 

Bernard Hopkins an ATG with power, good pressure, and excellent punch accuracy couldn't do it. Neither could Toney, or Mccallum, or Virgil Hill.

Why? Because Jones was incredibly difficult to find. Because he was obscenely, obscenely elusive. The video evidence in support of this is so dramatic and compelling that it makes me wonder if you've watched much of Jones.

Now you can deny this if you like. But the fact is that anybody would have had a very, very hard time connecting clean on prime Jones.

 

:roflatsch

Again, I don't care what Roy did against his handpicked opponents. Hagler, Foster, Spinks, Patterson, Charles, Moore, and a host of others would put him in a coma. For sure you can see the difference in the line of guys Jones fought and the above mentioned fighters. :roflatsch

 

I know, this is your schtick. You're a "chinchecker".

 

No. I know the difference between Glen Kelly, Richard Frazier, Otis Grant and what an ATG is. Apparantly you don't.

 

fat joe : true story im bringing the team back, even Roy Jones wad forced to lean back *lean back*

 

Do you think McCallum, Toney and Hopkins are ATGs?

You act like the only fighters Jones fought were bums. He didn't. He fought good opposition in his career.

 

you're cherry-picking mediocre opponents on Jones resume. I could do the same with any other ATG, including Hagler, Michael Spinks et al.

So you're offering a really transparently bad argument which is more or less par for the course.

 

Hopkins is an ATG. Toney is a first ballot HOFer but I do not consider him an ATG. McCallum was past his due date when Jones fought him. Then, there is the whole issue of Jones not facing a host of other Legit challengers.

Jones resume is very lacking considering all the fights he could have made. I made the point yesterday about DLH and a few others who had some losses because they fought everyone that was there for them to fight and didn't make ridiculous demands or excuses.

When you fight everyone that is available to you of course you are going to lose a fight here and there. It happens. :hi:

 

Not enough to be called the best fighter ever though, which is what the thread is about. Not even close.

And ,again, the Hopkins fight was horrible, anyone who saw it would know this. The crowd were jeering by the end it was that bad.

 

Both the Hopkins and Toney fights were stinkers. Very little action as both fighters were scared to engage. Lots of posing and circling. Awful boring fights.

 

And that's different from 95% of Hopkins fights because of what, exactly?

 

Jones had his fair share of boring 12 round fights also......