RJJ or JCC higher ATG

For the most part you can tell from viewing performances/skills/abilities. People on this forum largely ignore visual evidence for the main part. Also all flair and no substance doesn't get the job done either. Obviously the level of competition is important too but Jones was competing at a very high level, just as high as Chavez with his best opponent. I see you've argued this point already

Actually I don't think Kalambay and Graham were far behind Monzon and Griffith in ability terms and they obviously did many things better. Both excellent boxers, avoided like the plague and never truly gave their chance to shine. Facing prodigies like McCallum and Nunn didn't help their cause

 

If thats true Chavez was getting schooled near his prime by Willy Wise :shock:

 

You are right, but certainly the second Taylor fight was an exhibition type fight as Taylor had nothing left. Funny I dont even remember the third Randall fight. I do remember exactly where I was watching the first fight when Chavez went down, what a shocker. Funny if Randall hadnt dropped Chavez he would have lost the fight. Don King had those judges in his pocket.

 

Should we anayse the 3 Randall fights? Fight 1 Randall beats him, Fight 2 Randall is on his way to victory until Chavez QUITS and gets a gift TD, Fight 3 both are 80yos but Chavez wins that 1, funny he didnt want a rubber match back in '94 isn't it?

 

Yes now its coming back to me. This is when the ugly unsportsman Chavez surfaced. He couldnt take losing. He basically made the decision to stop the second fight which shouldnt have been. The ref or doctor usually makes that decision, but they asked him if he wanted to continue and he said no. The cut wasnt that bad. First or second round Randall landed another beautiful right that almost dropped Chavez again. I dont remember ever seeing a guy reel that far backwards and maintain his balance.

Its at the 5:20 minute mark
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOnddXHo7LM[/url]

 

That isn't nearly as embarrassing as Roy's rivalries with Tarver and Glen Johnson.

 

You're judging Roy's decline based partly on whether he won or lost rather than how faded he actually was, which in fact is two separate issues. Look at Chavez circa the Whitaker/Randall fights, and compare that to a couple years earlier, and you'll see roughly the same difference. You're assuming Roy was more faded because he got knocked out and Chavez didn't, but the fact of the matter is Chavez didn't get KO'd at this stage because he was a much tougher fighter to begin with, and likely the better one as well.