RJJ or May. Who has the better Legacy? p4p ranking?

Most people don't just ignore it because it harms there argument but because he didn't really do much after Ruiz (outside of Tarver and Trinidad) and so his Longevity wasn't at the top level

 

SRR is rated ok even after fighting many years after he should have retired and taking multiple losses

 

Jones went just over 14 years with only the DQ loss to Griffin. Basically at this exact career point Monzon retired. How do you rate Monzon's longevity? At the same point Hagler was getting beaten by SRL and retiring. How do you rate Marvin's longevity?

Jones might be the only fighter I've seen so heavily criticized who put up such remarkable stats. Some even go so far as to say he got found out - at a point when other greats like Monzon and Hagler had hung up the gloves. It's bizarre.

 

Then two hung up the gloves at the right time. Jones didn't Achieve any more that they would've if they'd kept fighting. His Longevity pre Ruiz was good but he wasn't Hopkins or Moore is what I'm saying. And it wasn't me who brought up the Ruiz fight I just replied

 

No-one is Hopkins or Moore tho. Jones longevity prior to declining is excellent and in line with some of the greatest.

 

All Mayweather has is the undefeated thing. He fought good guys and a mediocre guy could not have done it, but he constructed it and it somehow that MTM money team stuff came out. I mean that is impressive, but he handpicked at the right time. Everyone he fought after perhaps 140. Waiting how long to fight Manny? I think Jones Jr. had more power and speed and early on you would say wow after you saw him fight. I saw him fight in Reno against Art Serwano. He was that good. Just naturally a great athlete. Floyd was technically sound defensively. Regardless of anything I think Roy Jones Jr. stands out more. I think guys like Floyd who take the safe route and fight like that are more common. A Roy Jones does not come around too often.

 

I don't know about that. Ali had better as did Floyd himself (although neither was dropping 13/14 pounds after their best fight) so I understand I just don't agree

 

Newsflash, the Canelo that Floyd beat wasn't the Canelo we see today. That was deer in the headlights Canelo that showed up with that disgraceful performance. You'd think he thought it was a sparring session, not the biggest fight on his life till then. Moment was too big for him.

 

Is this is MAG argument for Duran reborn again with Roy? He loves to claim that Duran fought longer after Hearns than prior to Hearns, and thus that whole post Hearns career counts just as much as the pre Hearns fight, because, well, he fought for a long time after Hearns. That's silly. We know when a fighter is prime and when he's not, and when he fights for years past his best. We know what that looks like. Why are we pretending that Roy after Ruiz counts as much as prior to Ruiz? That's plain silly

 

Longevity seems to me to rank more heavily when comparing fighters than when comparing other sportsmen. Giggs stay at the top was about the double that of fat Ronaldo's, but I don't know if even the most rabid United fan would say that Giggs was greater.

Granted, Floyd at his best was closer to Roy at his best than Giggs ever was to peak Ronaldo, but it's still surprising why such emphasis is put on how these men did from their mid 30's onwards. Because Roy was hardly a Douglas or even a Bowe. He had a long period of almost total domination on which to judge him. That period might just put him ahead of Floyd in my book.

 

Jones did all of **** all at Junior Middleweight, and had few fights of note at Middleweight.

WTF does "making history in the process" even mean? That's just nonsense promoters like saying.

And if that was Mayweather's win, I'm sure all you'd talk about is Toney being weight drained.

Joe Grim took more risks than either.

 

But noone would rank a footballer off of looking amazing for one game.

 

I like Ryan, but Giggs can't hold a candle El Phenomenon. They aren't in the same stratosphere really.

 

No. But how is that relevant here?

Jones's fall was steep, but he had a 10-year prime before that. Hardly a "Tokyo Douglas" kind of prime. Actually longer than most primes.

 

jones ahead of may if both of them cheated once.

if money kept fighting as an average guy in his forties, it doesnt affect his legacy one bit. same for jones.