RJJ represents all that is wrong with boxing!

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  1. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Benn and Collins were both called out and turned down fights, the reason why Collins was called out instead of Eubank is because he beat Eubank and was the man to go for instead.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjvBqSDJJoA

    Move to 5:05 and enjoy.
     
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  2. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good post.

    but in answer to 'why didn't jones come over here?' - risk versus reward.

    if you want the top dog you go and get him if you really want him.
     
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  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Which is why Lewis showed no interest in it anyway and had another FAR bigger option in a possible rematch with Tyson. Lewis was also inactive at the time and semi retired till he returned and signed a tune-up type of fight against Kirk who was later replaced by Vitali who was also looked at as tune-up material.
     
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  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Exactly and those guys were the ones offered career high paydays when it was supposed to be the other way around and turned them down. HBO made those offers and know about this very well, just check out the video above and move to 5:05.
     
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  5. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    roy jones
     
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  6. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy Jones did cherry pick...however, Calzaghe chery-picked three times as bad.

    Surely you can see this Rumsfeld?
     
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  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Right, editing that post since I didn't get you. :good
     
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  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Lewis would have been ridiculed for taking the Jones fight - even though it was probably harder than a prospectibe rematch with Tyson.

    In terms of Benn/Eubank - they probably should have chased the fight and crossed the pond, but in truth, Roy ought to have wanted to face the best challengers. In that respect, both parties are equally guilty.

    Ricky Hatton (for example) is top dog at 140, but has been fighting in the US for his last 5/6 fights - should he have stayed at home and made the Yanks come here (Mayweather excepted).
     
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  9. coronacards

    coronacards Well-Known Member Full Member

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  10. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Video not available.

    Didn't Collins fly to Roy's back yard to call him out after a fight, and Roy turned it down?
     
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  11. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    That's why I left the direct link rght blow the video just incase that error comes up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjvBqSDJJoA

    No, I never heard about Collins flying and calling Roy out, what I know is that he was offered and turned it down. Got a legitimate source to Collins flying and turning it down?, something as legitimate as the link above.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Sure I can.

    I just hate Jones!

    :lol:

    But in all seriousness, nobody was ever making ridiculous claims about Calzaghe's legacy (barring Calzaghe fans).

    I'm not really a fan of either fighter, and I think that Jones has a chance if he can hurt Calzaghe early on, and given he has more speed & power than Hopkins, he may have a chance.

    But I suspect he's too timid to do what would need to be done to get an early stoppage, even if he still has the physical skill.

    But let's focus on Jones and Jones alone here for a moment.

    Do you agree that he did not dare to be great? That he was a better businessman than champion, and that he did NOT do everything in his power to make the best fights happen, avoiding tough challenges in every weight class he fought in? Did he fight like a true champion always trying to prove his worth, or did he fight by taking calculated risks that suited his style, while avoiding certain style match-ups throughout?

    That's what bothers me most about Jones, is that with all his physical talent, he COULD HAVE BEEN TRULY GREAT!

    And that he is so grossly overrated in all-time sense makes this all the more disheartening as I see it.

    Let's hear your honest thoughts on Jones. This was not intended to be a post about Calzaghe or a compare/contrast.

    What are your honest thoughts here, Axe?

    You know I always respect your opinion on boxing matters, and I think we're more or less on the same page here, although, I could be mistaken.

    Let's hear it.

    :good
     
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  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Jones will never fight outside of the States. Ever. At least Calzaghe has done that on a few occasions.
     
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  14. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Who is the only man in 106 years who went to win a HW title after being MW champion?Name him?:yep
     
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  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Collins did crash a Jones presser - he did an interview in Boxing Monthly stating that he regretted that the fight didn't come off, because he always felt in with a chance at 168, as Jones was chinny. (His words)

    Steve was a tough *******, great chin and decent skills - but no way would he have beaten either a prime Benn or Eubank, surely?

    I can't choose between either Benn or Eubank as fighters, or which would have fared better against Jones at the prime of their careers - for totally different reasons.
     
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