RJJ represents all that is wrong with boxing!

THis thread is the biggest FAIL I've witnessed since becoming a member of esb.....

Roy sparked interest in boxing worldwide for what he accomplished. Along with his godlike abilities even the casual boxing fan around the world knew who he was.

Dare to think of boxing without Roy Jones Jr.....................

 

Seriously? You think Roy Jones saw Benn scrap to victory over G-Man and was intimidated?? :-( Benn was amazing that night, but that was because McClennan had a style that allowed him to fight. Jones knows more about boxing than you do my friend, he will have watched that fight and been more than aware that he would easily dance round Benn all night bouncing shots off his skull til the inevitable stoppage. Jones's speed and skills were on a completely different level to the Dark Destroyer, and they both knew it.

 

Other than Dariusz Michalsczewski, who did he not fight?[/quote]

nigel benn...chris eubanks...steve collins...calzaghe...never rematched hopkins....im sure i can think of a few more

 

Erm, because the heavyweights that really mattered were Lewis and the Klitschkos, and Jones was 193lbs at most??

Criticizing a guy for not fighting men around SIXTY pounds heavier and EIGHT inches taller than him. This forum has sunk to a new low. :-(

 

nigel benn...chris eubanks...steve collins...calzaghe...never rematched hopkins....im sure i can think of a few more[/quote]

I'll just post this again since it hasn't yet penetrated your tiny noob skull:

Do you realize how short the window was that a fight with Benn or Eubank or Collins was even viable?

Benn lost his title to Sugarboy Malinga in March 1996 (FYI Jones had dominated and stopped Malinga years earlier). Eubank lost his title to Steve Collins in March 1995. Jones only moved up to supermiddleweight in November 1994 when he fought a far bigger name and more highly rated fighter, James Toney.

So really he could probably never have fought Eubank. There was 5 months between Jones-Toney and Eubank-Collins. For all we know, Eubank-Collins could have been arranged prior to November, thus meaning the fight could never have happened. Even if the fight wasn't planned until a while after the Jones-Toney fight, is it really right to criticize Jones for not taking a unification fight in his very 1st defence at a new weight? Is it really right to criticize Jones when we don't know how much money Eubank, as an established star in Britain, would have been looking for to leave his comfort zone in the UK or to consider losing in the UK against Jones (p4p#1 or 2 immediately after the Toney fight)? Jones was not huge box office back then remember. He was a rising star, but not a superstar with a huge following of fans in 1994.

To mention Benn is similarly short-sighted of you. It was well-known at the time that a superfight between Jones Jr and Gerald McClennan was under discussion. McClennan challenged Benn to win his title and make a Jones-McClennan fight a huge unification bout at 168. Was McClennan thought to be a more dangerous fighter than Benn at the time? Undoubtedly he was. Therefore, Jones was waiting to secure a more dangerous fight than Benn. The Benn v McClennan fight was in February 1995 - 4 months after Jones v Toney. Jones was already involved in a bigger, better fight than Benn, and by the time he had beaten Toney, McClennan-Benn was scheduled.

Benn didn't read the script, but that was hardly Roy's fault. Do you think Benn wanted a fight with Roy Jones right after the McClennan fight? Of course he didn't. And then he lost to Malinga. So that fight wasn't viable either.

Collins first won the supermiddle title in March 1995 by beating Eubank, then he fought Eubank again, then he settled for two routine hometown defences in Ireland, then he fought Benn twice, and by this time Jones had moved up to light-heavyweight. Does this sound like a guy who was dying to come over to the USA and fight peak Roy Jones? Steve Collins fought abroad earlier in his career - and lost to Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson (both beaten by Jones) and Sumbu Kalambay. He only actually won a world title when he started fighting in Ireland/UK. Do you think he wanted to go over and fight the world's best fighter right after winning a world title when he could make money fighting past-prime Eubank and Benn? I severely doubt it. Jones moved up to light-heavyweight in Nov 1996. Therefore, he had an 18-month window to fight Collins, and Collins filled this by fighting Eubank and Benn twice each for big money at home. Again, is it fair that Jones is criticized for not fighting him when you actually examine the situation? I say it's a genuine no.

 

There was one that really mattered ****** and he wasn't active at the time and had a far bigger option he was considering in a Tyson rematch or a possible fight with Wladimir who lost to Sanders. When Jones fought and beat Ruiz, Lewis returned to fight Kirk Johnson who was replaced by Vitali. It's not like Lewis was active and gave a damn at that point for people to hold this against Jones.

 

he could have fought Byrd or Brewster. Both were too much of a risk so he scattered back to 175 and got his Glass Jaw shattered twice.

 

Yeah, that's what's lacking from Jones's legacy. A win over global megastar and elite ATG Lamon Brewster. If Jones moved up and knocked Vitali cold, you'd criticize him for not having the balls to go to the UK and beat Audley Harrison as well. Yawn.

 

Brewster wasn't even a champion at the time and Byrd was already set to fight Holyfield for the vacant IBF title when Jones/Ruiz was signed, shows how poor your knowledge is when it comes to your hate towards Jones as you constantly expose it to be. atsch

 

Hey nuthugger Byrd was already IBF Champion when Jones fought Ruiz. He won it in 2002. Jones talked of fighting Sanders who dropped the WBO belt and Brewster won it. Now, who does not know what they are talking about? :rofl atsch

 

Criticizing Jones for not staying at a weight where he was facing obscene height, weight, reach, strength, power disadvantages in every single fight out there. Anyone else would give him credit for ever even going there and taking the risk, seeing as he was first a world title holder at middleweight. You really need to get a grip Rico, your criticisms of him are becoming absurd.

 

No.

Rummy is an ok poster (with too much time on his hands , perhaps).


The fact that he is COMPLETELY WRONG in his take on Roy ( I think actually, he's a Roy hater from some time back) does not detract from some good posts he's made, here and in the lounge and on the front page of ESB.


Rico, on the other hand ????

What can I say ?

 

Byrd has an obscene height, weight, and reach, strength, and power advantage over Glass Jaw Roy?

:rofl atsch

A Byrd fight was too much of a risk and with Jones Glass Jaw he probably would have got knocked out.

That would have been a big fight for unification. Jones was once again too reluctant to take a risk.

 

And you're still trying to back that statement up. :rofl

Byrd fought Holyfield December of 2002, three months later Jones fights Ruiz. Jones vs Ruiz was signed even before Byrd fought Holyfield by a short period of time. Unlike WWE, which you obviously heavily follow, fights in boxing aren't signed and a week later done, there are preparations and training that these guys go for, if you didn't know already and usually fights are signed months before they happen. Lamon Brewster won the title in 2004 fighting Wladimir for the vacant WBO title, that's ONE year after Jones beat Ruiz.

 

because its a democracy not kindergarden,plus im a fan of jrr tolkien.