rjj vs dm

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Take it away, Brainless!

 

Reread this thread:

It's nothing to do with who's better, nobody is saying DM was better. It doesn't imply that Jones "needs" DM at all. Only if it would have made a difference in where he's ranked as an all-time great.

 

What you post has nothing to do with your question.

Nobody is argueing where DM or Jones are all-time wise. DM would be one of Jones best wins and would establish him as the best lhw of his era - which he is not because he did not beat the best of his era. Those are the facts. You can´t ignore them.

So, yes a win over DM would increase his standing. At lhw very much and still quite a bit in an all-time sense. He probably would be Top35 then.

 

If people not ranking Roy as GOAT is going to bother you this much, you just need to stay off the boards and out of the conversations. The fact is, most people, who aren't irrational diehard fans of one fighter or another, base their personal p4p rankings on accomplishment, and not on what they think would've happened if so-and-so would've fought such-and-such.
And based on accomplishment, DM is fairly close to Roy. He didn't fight in a lot of different divisions, but his body of work at LH is just as good as Roy's, and he beat most of the top LH contenders that Roy beat.
And there were any number of guys from 160 on up that could've pulled off that carnival act of moving up in weight and dancing around the lead-footed Ruiz.

The fact is Roy will forever be dogged by the fact that he avoided the toughest challenges out there. And that fact will always dog him in the p4p conversations. You will never change that, no matter how pissed off you get about it. He'll never, ever be a unanimous ATG like the Robinsons, Ali's of the world. He didn't prove it and doesn't deserve recognition with those guys.

 

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it would have made a key difference because dm was the second best light heavyweight of rjj generation. but there still would have been some who would have said that dm wasnt that great, etc. people like to blame rjj for this fight not happening which is right, however dm never really wanted it either. both men were content on fighting mandatories.

 

I get tired of reading Roy fans talk about the guys Roy didn't fight, and always say "if he had fought so-and-so, yall would just say he wasn't that good."

When the much more likely scenario is that if Roy had fought so-and-so, his fans would be calling that so-and-so an ATG.

The people that accuse everyone else of the former, never consider the latter.

 

There is literally too much on this post to take apart.

I didn't say Jones was the GOAT! For **** sake grow up!

Who did Jones go out of his way to AVOID incidentally? Jones didn't want to travel and neither did Darius! So who avoided who? Who else did he avoid and provide back up that counts.

"He'll never, ever be a unanimous ATG like the Robinsons, Ali's of the world. He didn't prove it and doesn't deserve recognition with those guys!"

In closing I think Jones is an ATG in terms of talent and could hang head to head with anyone in history. He''s the most talented fighter I have ever seen when he was in his prime. His resume is not as impressive as Ali's or Robinson's but that doesn't diminish the man's standing as a modern day great!

 

If Roy had fought Darius and won I would have called Darius an ATG?

Okay then, pal! Whatever!

 

Too many of you Roy nuthuggers rate him on what you think he WOULD have done not what he did had he made some big fights. Guess what fan boys? It does not work that way. Fighters like Robinson and Ali PROVED what they could do because they were not scared to take on all comers like Glass Jaw Roy Jones was.

I get so sick of these "Jones would have schooled so and so" posts. No, we don't know because the guy refused to fight. Period.

 

Thing is DM was the champ. The champ avoiding the no. 1 contender is bad. The no. 1 contender avoiding the champ is even worse.

 

did jones beat up your dad or something? you're right though, for all the talent this guy had, he was content on fighting for abc titles and fighting average opponents. damn shame with all that talent.

 

well it was a strange situiation because while dm was technically the champ, jones was the p4p king of boxing at the time, so a fight between dm and rjj, dm would have alot more to gain, yet neither man anything to do with a fight.

 

Well, p4p is no title in a traditional way and does nothing. Beeing p4p no. 1 for a while does not much for your ranking since it´s all speculation and subjective.

Both are to blame and it hurts both, Jones more so. Dm getting beaten wouldn´t mean much. Him beating Jones would mean much. Jones beating DM would mean he would establish himself as the top-lhw of the era and he would win a championship. Him losing would be unthinkable.

 

well, thats up to your own critieria, because jones was uiniverally know as the best fight i the world for a while. you have people who think ring magazine is as credible or even more credible then the abc belts and who do you think they had as lhw champ? but its all a moot point. the point is both men knew they were the two best fighters at 175 and niether wanted the other.