RJJ vs GGG at middleweight

No worries pal..

You are a great poster and I respect your opinion highly..:good

This is a good explanation for how GGG could possibly beat Jones.

 

...160, not even prime MMH?


...or SRR for that matter?

 

I have not **** on GGG at all, he has a great talent and ATG potential as you say.. I also didn't say Roy was unbeatable, but so far that beating Hopkins trumps anything GGG has done, and I would rate it over a win over Cotto as well.

again, I wasn't suggesting he was unbeatable for beating Hopkins, I was just saying to me it would be a bigger win that GGG fighting and beating Cotto who isn't even a true MW.. Again I say WHO you beat to become THE champion matters more than being THE champion, which is why some people arent even giving Cotto credit for being the lineal MW champ...

Now if GGG puts together a good string of defenses after being the man, then yes I would say it would be quite possible to surpass Roy at MW. Lets also not forget, that Roy knocked out some good fighters at the weight. Roy knocked out fighters that went 12 rounds with Julian Jackson and Nigel Benn.

Again, I don't think a win over Cotto would be better than Roy's win over Hopkins.. But successful defenses against good fighters and he could pass Roy. Also, there are some big "ifs" in your statements. Roy DID move up weights and beat world champions.

Again, I never said Roy was unbeatable, and he did miss some fights, part of that was due to his huge ego, but it wasn't always his fault only.

 

Jones never fought a savage puncher in his whole career. He was knocked down by Lou Del Valle, put into a coma by feather fisted Glen Johnson and KOed by decent puncher Tarver.

GGG has legit savage power at 160. All it takes with Glass Jawed fighters is one punch. We don't have a sample size of Roy fighting savage puncher but we do have a sample size of him getting knocked down and out by average to decent punchers.

Jones also was never in a war never had to dig deep and as we all saw he never had a Plan B in a fight if things were not going his way. These are things that would have been answered had Jones fought some of the fighters available to him that he either ducked or made outrageous asinine demands so the fight wouldn't be made. Jones was a businessman not a prizefighter which kinda surprises me that he is broke and has tax liens on his home and property.

 

You obviously didn't watch the Griffin fights or Tarver I.

 

Ruiz. That's why MIDDLEWEIGHTS DON'T MOVE TO HEAVYEWIGHT

Tarver was a "scrub?" Wasn't he light heavyweight champion? BTW, GGG (whom again, I like) isn't 35 yet.

 

I watched Jones foul out of the first Griffin fight because he was frustrated and was losing on one scorecard only up one point and two points on the other 2. He barely scraped by Tarver in the first fight. Jones had no Plan B in a fight. We know that much. We don't know how he would react to a savage puncher because he never fought one.

 

Ruiz by virtue of the fact that he's a heavyweight.

LOL. Golovkin isn't punching harder than Ruiz. Take your head out of your ass. Golovkin isn't even the hardest punching 160lb'er of recent memory. Edison Miranda, Kelly Pavlik, Antwun Echols all were bigger punchers.

Jones' resume shits all over Golovkin's. Wake me when Triple Duck fights someone with a pulse.

Losing 25lbs of muscle in your mid 30s can do that to an athlete. Stop talking out of your ass. We ALL know why Roy declined so rapidly...

Not out of the question but the FACT remains, Roy - who wasn't a big light heavy to begin with - moved up not one but TWO divisions to beat a HW titlist. Meanwhile, Golovkin is looking for his next 154lb'er to beat up on.

I have no clue. Why don't yo ask them?

James Toney, roids or not, is a bigger puncher than Golovkin. A roided James Toney carried his power all the way up to heavyweight. Meanwhile, Golovkin is looking for his next 154lb'er to beat up on.

 

Griffin was fighting dirty too.. He clearly fouled Jones the round before and the ref didn't call it.. I think it was a combination of Jones being frustrated and Griffin fouling him. He came in the second fight with a totally different plan, and took him out in under 1 round.

Also, lets not forget that it was Griffin that acted to get out of that fight.. He could have beat the count, and Jones would of had a point taken away.. But Griffin new Jones figured him out.

Barely scraped by Tarver, that was an even fight going into the final 2 rounds... Jones was instructed in the corner he needed to win those rounds big.. It looked as if it was hard for Roy to even stand up, but he dug down and clearly won the last 2 rounds against Tarver.. That is what champions do. He showed tremendous heart in that fight.


I also saw James Toney hit him with a very hard left hand, Jones reacted well, unleashing an onslaught of his own.

 

So GGG is now a bigger puncher than Toney is that waht I'm reading on this thread :rofl

 

Ruiz hits MUCH harder than Tarver, Jones fought Ruiz for 12 rounds, he walked through Tarver's punches for 13 then got caught.

Margarito, Mosley and Cotto are harder punchers than Marquez, Paquiao took their punches for various rounds, and took Marquez's punches for 40 rounds...then he got caught.

To make it really, really simple, if GGG wanted to be the richest athlete in the world, all he would have to do is move up and fight as a heavyweight. The hype on a 160 lb. guy fighting 230 lb. guys would be UNREAL. he doesn't do it because he'd get killed, even by "feather fisted" heavyweights. He knows it, Abel Sanchez knows it, and that's that.

Physics exists.

Was Ruiz a hall-of-famer, no. He was a solid heavwyweight who bulked up (possibly roided) to 230 lbs, was a good amateur, and won a pro title.

As for Toney, Jones and Tarver being on steroids, guess what...

NOWADAYS, THEY'RE PRACTICALLY ALL ON STEROIDS

Yes, that includes Paquiao, Marquez, GGG and the rest. Paquiao did not turn down the Mayweather fight because "his body is a temple" "he's afraid of needles"whatever. He did it because he did not want the humiliation of failing a drug test. It's as simple as that.

As for "superman" not ad******g with age, he has adjusted with age...HE JUST WON A FIGHT LAST WEEK!

In boxing, sometimes you get hit and fall down, that's the beauty of the sport. Calzaghe is the won who "did not adjust with age, he had a hall-of fame career, fought ONE really good fighter in 15 years in the process, busted up his hands and retired at 37.

 

At middleweight? Sure. How many savage KO's did Toney have? I can't think of one. Most of his KO's were on attrition. How many fighters did Toney slice and rip open cuts on? :huh

 

In my opinion GGG is a harder puncher than Toney. The only middleweights I've seen on GGGs level in my lifetime were Hearns, Benn and McCllelan.

 

Lets get this straight about Ruiz:

He was flat footed, slow as ****, with no power, and no skills. His lone attribute was the 'Jab & Grab' which he was not allowed to use against Roy but was allowed to use it in every single other fight.

That is why he was handpicked. He was the least risk of the 'champions' at the time (Lennox Lewis was THE champion)

 

deja-vu?