RJJ vs Jimmy Young 15 rd

nice to see you answer your own thread. tired of the roy jones vs heavyweights threads.

 

I think people are tired of Jones getting his Ass kicked by Ellis, Young, Marciano.....

 

Jimmy Young also has knocked out so many first-rate and second-rate opponents, it's difficult to count all of them.

 

Jones has an excellent chance here , but you keep repeating the same mantra. Counter point, how many heavyweights has Jones kod? How many has he even beat?

 

Thats what Ive been trying to tell this Guy. Jones does have a good chance here. If Young lays back and counter punches he'll get beat. If the Young that fought Norton shows up Jones has a problem.

 

I would understand (although disagree) people picking Young and Ellis to win on points. But to bet on a KO win, there has to be something to base such prediction on. There's nothing whatsoever. Jones should be considered either a first-rater or a second-rater at heavyweight based on his winning the title. Before the talk about Ruiz starts again, there were a lot of people who were not so sure Jones could win that one, it was only after he had won so easily that everyone started saying a win over Ruiz didn't mean much, he was way too weak of a titlist, etc. Ruiz remained a top contender or titlist for another 5 years (arguably deserving two wins over Valuev and another win over Chagaev; his record would have been 9-1-0-1 after Jones' fight if the judges were more fair/competent), proving his class, not of the highest kind, but of sufficient class for Jones' win over him to be significant.

Gene Tunney also didn't achieve much at heavyweight outside of two wins over old, semi-retired Jack Dempsey. Does that stop many people from rating him pretty high at heavyweight?

 

Apart from convincingly dethroning an ATG Champ in Dempsey in a near shut out then repeating the feat, Tunney also beat four rated contenders in Risko,Madden , Heeney ,and Gibbons, three by stoppage . Add to that he beat useful heavyweights like ,Weinert, Spalla and Burke and you have absolutely no basis for a credible comparison between his achievements at heavyweight and Roy Jones's.
Drowning, straws , clutching, are words that spring to mind.

 

Tommy Gibbons? We've been at this before. The rest is mediocrity, second or third-raters.

 

They were rated heavyweight contenders , something Jones never faced. Glug, Glug, Glug.:hey

 

Being rated means **** when you have a heavyweight division as poor as that. People call today's heavyweights poor, well, the guys Tunney beat wouldn't be ranked in heavyweights top 50 today, other than Gibbons in his last fight.

 

Risko beat two heavyweight world champions in Sharkey and Baer
contenders like.
Godfrey
Loughran
Griffiths
Maloney
Uzcudun
Rojas
Galento
Levinsky
Heeney
If you want to talk about mediocre heavyweights ,look no further than Ruiz.Jones's only scalp.

A top poster, you must be having a bad week.
You are starting to embarrass yourself.

 

You forgot to mention that the first win over any opponent from above list took place the next year after he fought Tunney, in a bout vs Rojas (Risko's record at that moment would be summed up something like 22-10-1) reported as follows:
"Johnny Risko, the Cleveland heavyweight sensation, failed to show anything that will alarm Jack Dempsey for several years"

Nice try, though.

 

Risko was as probably at least as good as Ruiz.
Ruiz wouldn't have been expected to alarm even a washed-up Dempsey.

I'm not sure Tunney should be rated highly as a heavyweight.
Michael Spinks isn't rating highly as a heavyweight.
Roy Jones Jr. should clearly be rated beneath both of them at heavyweight.