RJJ vs SRR @ 160

Couldn't sum it up better. Robinson was stretching to make 160, and even with who he beat there, showed he was much more vulnerable. Roy was also naturally a much bigger fighter. I'd pick Jones in this one. The best I could give Robinson is 1 win out of a trilogy if he caught Jones on a lackluster night.

 

Because he is overrated at MW. I don't care WHY he lost at MW. The fact is he lost. And the guys he beat at MW were not better than Jones and his resume there isn't relevant since Jones would have IMO beaten them anyways.

Robinson is NOT the best MW of all time. He is signifigantly smaller than Jones and the assets that allowed him to beat the MW of his time would be nullified by Jones. He wouldn't have any real advantages.

 

Those body shots would take Roy's speed away.

 

Sure, but let me ask you - Do you watch full fights of Ray Robinson at MW?

Not just the clips, but full fights. If you do, then fine, but most people don't and I've only watched a few here and there.

It's good to try to seek the truth.

Even if Hagler is the best at 160 ever, that doesn't mean he has much of a chance against his ultimate stylistic nightmare, especially when he's heavily vulnerable to speed and quick hands. Jones fought cautious always, even against Toney, he'd have owned Hagler worse so because Hagler was easier to hit and about the same speed as Toney, but less reflexive.

I don't even like Jones, but he is sickeningly underrated and the fact that this thread was even made showcases it and the fact that some people pick old timer Robinson over him is an even larger showcase of how low Jones is rated for what he did.

 

Hagler could not and would not KO Jones. You need to keep it relevant to 160 Jones, not 175 Jones who was fighting larger men and got KO'd past his prime.

Jones is a lot stronger than you give him credit for. And he hit harder than Hagler. Hagler would win IMO because of his tenacity and workrate, but he would not KO Jones.

 

There you go.:good

 

Roy is 3-4x as fast, how does Ray land anything? Ray's timing is not even on Roy's level and Ray will be tagged at will.

Like I said, I'd be suprised if it lasted a round. About like Roy against any top 30 modern WW-LMW level fighter.

 

I have seen full fights of SRR at MW. But I picked Jones in this matchup, so I am not sure what that has to do with anything.

 

I'm not sure if I'm basing this on Jones's chin.

Jones wasn't tested by a style that truly bothered him until he was past his prime.

You may site Toney, but Toney isn't a pressure fighter.

Toney is most comfortable as a counterpuncher, and when you're as accurate, as fast, and as versatile as Jones, (who was better than Toney at all of those), you may have to adapt your style to beat your opponent.

Hagler would hunt Jones down all night, and Jones was fast and hit hard, but Hagler had a hell of a chin, and would stick to Jones like flies on ****.

 

Hagler wouldn't land at a frequent rate and would eat too many shots.

'Manassa' is more versed on Hagler's details, take it up with him...

 

Timing and speed?

You can't really base this on the film you watched of Robinson.

Think about how choppy the footage is.

When concerning fighters of past, sometimes you have to be there to really so how effective they were.

You can't look past boxing historian's opinions.

While some of them tend to be slightly biased, they are the only ones that actually saw the fighters fight and can compare them to contemporary fighters.

 

It has everything to do with it. If you've watched the full fights, then you've probably noticed how guys of that era were not on the level that we are talking about with Jones.

So to even suggest that Ray has much of a shot against the 160 Jones is giving too much credit, or just fear of backlash, to the historian jokers on this website that believe Jack Dempsey can compete with Wlad Klitschko.

I simply do not care about them, I see Ray and his opponents for where they stand an I am sure you do also.

There is no need for simply 'I pick Jones', as if it's anywhere remotely in the region of a toss up, when we damn well know that it is Roy Jones without any problem what so ever, just like Roy Jones Jr against a top 30 level WW-LMW at his best, who would pick against Roy there?

It's not preaching, it's analysis of the situation at hand.

 

In the beggining, I agree that Jones would make Hagler look like an old man, but eventually, inevitably, Hagler would come on strong and Jones would start looking more and more vulnerable.

Honestly, while I would favor Hagler, this is a fight that could go either way.

Jones may win a decision by keeping Hagler at range.

 

Sure he was, Griffin pressured Jones. Griffin is not on Hagler's level obviously, but he had more size that Hagler and that is what was effective against Jones, until Jones figured him out.

Jones couldn't KO Hagler. He couldn't KO Toney either....but he can make him gunshy. Hagler could smother Jones and simply win a war of attrition. Which is what I would pick him to do.....any other type of fight, Jones beats Hagler as well.

 

Jones light years ahead, maybe more.

Yes I can, it's solid enough to see the necessities.

That's more so the 30's and early 40's.

Sure.

I don't, they're all clueless. Just like 'political analysts' by profession.

Yes, they saw it in that era, when they knew no better. This was the best of their era, why would they not have fond memories?