RJJ vs SRR @ 160

Hmm, I'm not so sure that Jones can't KO Hagler. Speed/power is a good combo, it would take some serious breaking of him down, but I think he'd get a stoppage.

At 168 especially. Toney's chin may be better than Haglers overall.

 

Umm no, I said the guys SRR beat at 160 were not better than Jones. Not the guys he fought.

In his prime, SRR fought MWs while weighing 147.

And yes, Jones size advantage comes into play, because SRR was not a full sized MW, often fighting in the mid 150's. He was not coming down to make weight, and he was not a natural MW.

 

I really don't understand why you rate modern fighters so highly.

What differenciates them?

Old school fighters arguably, depending on the era, had more to fight for, more to prove.

Honestly, I believe they were harder.

A lot of guys today, despite their modern training techniques, (lifting weights?), lack the tenacity to compete with fighters of the past.

They don't have that inner drive and toughness that was so common in fighters from the past.

So, I just don't see how you can underrate fighters from that era, especially when you're calling Robinson a top 30 WW in this era, when he's widely regarded as the best of all time.

Who at welterweight today could beat Robinson?

 

Go over to Boxrec, check WW ratings, 90% of those on the first page.:good

 

It is preaching. You are trying to give me advice (again) on and show me the light. There is no light. I don't agree with your assessment of past fighters and their talent level.

And I pick Jones because of what he brought to the ring. I don't care about the historians on this site or any other. Assuming that I do is a leap you have made on your own.

 

How about a thread with video's?

Harry Greb is a rated top 5 MW, do you want to see him play patty cake in sparring? Or let's take Louis for example, there are some atrocious factors that everyone can see if they want to see it.

It has nothing to do with opinion, more so fact in comparison to all around boxing ability.

For example, if I said that Jones has faster hands than Kelly Pavlik, is this fact or opinion?:think

You can't deal with historians, it's as bad as Pacquaio fans, but they are more well read of course and speak competent english.

 

Now see....

You all say you hate how I state things as if they are FACTS...

Yet you say 0% chance, 'impossible' that Jones KO's Hagler, you are starting it as if it is a fact.

I disagree, I think Jones has a well shot at doing so and I didn't say it like it was a fact, because in this scenerio, it is an opinion since Hagler has a proven great chin and the opinion is just coming from fantasy analysis.

 

Your comparison is fine. Your opinion of it is not the only opinion of the comparison.

 

Cotto?

No way, Robinson would kill Cotto coming in with straight right hands, and blast Cotto with uppercuts.

Robinson had a hell of an arsenal, was taller and rangier than Cotto, faster, and hit harder, especially from distance.

Cintron?

Cintron is a good welterweight, and may eventually become the lineal champ, but he's not fast and slick enough to beat a guy like Robinson. He doesn't have any physical advantages over the guy. And from what we've seen, his heart is still questionable.

We'll see how his fight with Margarito pans out.

Clottey?

Clottey would be outboxed. Plain and simple.

Floyd?

Robinson would do what Oscar didn't, and pressure Floyd from start to finish, often leading with his right hand, and landing brutal left hooks and left uppercuts as Floyd turns to his right.

And if Robinson jabbed, he would be more effective than Oscar because Floyd would have much more trouble countering Ray's jab with his right because of the difference in speed between Oscar and Ray.

Who else?

Paul Williams. Dude is a freak, and this would be a difficult fight for Robinson. Honestly, Paul would be a difficult fight for any welterweight in history, but chances are, Robinson's power and heart would be the difference maker.

Who else?

Margarito? Robinson would do what Cintron couldn't, and destroy Margarito coming in with straight right shots and good footwork.

Mosley?

Too small.

 

Then why can't we get it all mutual, if it means meeting in the middle somewhere. It doesn't matter, just picking Louis over Wlad is as sickening as anything ever done.

Well, not really. Sven Ottke's whole run was the worst.

 

It would be a TKO accumulation style stoppage, maybe from damage even. Not a straight KO 10 count.

Is this not possible at all? At 168?

 

He is more active, but gets hit a lot more. Jones is more capable than you think at unleashing combinations while moving.

 

RJJ by UD:deal

 

As the fight goes on and a guy just keeps getting tagged and tagged, accumulation starts to create effects and damage. This is how I am saying RJJ could win by stoppage.