RJJ vs SRR @ 160

He was far from a skilless brawler SP. But he is not one of the most skilled off all time, not like say on pure skill, Thomas Hearns or Pernell Whitaker, who really have the pure skills down. Hagler was a very skilled fighter who was also full of great intangibles and in my opinion, the intangibles were his best assetts.

I could see it happen. If RJJ could tattoo Toney pretty nicely when he wanted, he could do it to Hagler at 168 also and at 160 for that matter and the damage may add up enough to lead to a stoppage.

I'm thinking Roy in 10.

 

Comparing Toney to Hagler is a bad analysis.

Toney is a natural counterpuncher, while Hagler's defense is his offense.

 

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You beat me too it.

 

I know Toney was more stationary, also shells up naturally when attacked. My point was that Roy had the timing to bomb him when he wanted to get aggressive and to bomb him very well.

Hagler is too slow by a little bit to not get bombed frequently and Jones could punch pretty well.

 

Not entirely.

 

But a pursuing opponent who's best defense is his offense, will throw that timing off.

It's styles.

 

Hagler is more effective coming forward than Toney. Both were excellent counter-punchers, but as Hagler showed against Hearns, he could throw caution to the wind against a taller/rangier opponent with great outside boxing skills and brawl it out with him, and do a great job of it.

Hagler might be best off against Roy fighting like he did versus Tommy and being more aggressive and throwing caution to the wind, then how he usually fought, being more patient and boxing behind the jab. That gives Roy more time to use the ring, set up, and use his ridiculously fast hands and reflexes.

 

I've seen tapes of both. They are both incredebly fast and have amazing offensives. Robinson however is a lot more experienced and that gives him an edge over Jones.

 

Above Middleweight, I agree Jones' combination of speed, size, and power could be too much for even Robinson to overcome. At middleweight however, Robinson would be comparable in speed (Jones a bit faster due to Robinson having to put on extra weight which would slow him down just a bit) but there is no way Jones vastly outspeeds Robinson. I've seen film of Robinson where you couldn't follow his punches they were so fast, and I'm not exxagerating either. He would be most likely superior in power considering he's knocked out iron chinned middleweights (Lamotta and Fullmer) and when he knocked out Fullmer it was with one punch while moving backwards. He's a better technical fighter than Jones who relied more on speed and reflexes and could make Jones pay for any mistakes. Also he was a much more experienced fighter at his middleweight peak than Jones was during HIS middleweight peak. Robinson also fought and beat more ATG middleweights in history than Jones fought. While Jones would give ANY Middleweight ATG problems, Robinson is one of the few who could beat him.

 

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