Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Goran_, Mar 17, 2023.

  1. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 8, 2008
    wouldnt need to destroy him all he would have to do is impose his size and stay on the outside Toney despite being a poster child for PED's to help his stamina he was a poor heavyweight.
  2. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012
    What are you talking about?

    Impose his size?

    What size?

    Stay on the outside?

    I was talking about Maris Breidis.

    Neither Breidis or Usyk were destroying Toney at CW.
  3. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 26, 2020
    The Hopkins of the first Jones was a better boxer than Usyk imo, but I am not saying he would win. I am saying he would make it to the final bell and not get KO'd. Same for Toney.
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    He looked much sharper v Holy.
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Usyk`s long constant jab is something Toney never faced, Nunn wasn`t as heavy as Usyk when he fought Toney at 160.
  6. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 8, 2008
    With or without his cocktails of peds...
  7. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012

    Both Nunn and Toney were more mobile at MW.
  8. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

    Mar 7, 2012
    What difference does it make?
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    No, Nunn stood in front of Toney, Usyk constantly moves in and out while Nunn just circled every now and then, Toney wasn`t mobile v Jones, he just plodded forwards Usyk never moves in like that.
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Jones took PEDS to aid recovery during reps allowing him to put on more muscle in a short space of time.
  11. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

    Dec 18, 2022
    Usyk's too quick for Roy at this weight, Usyk by decision.
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  12. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 22, 2009
    More than a few light heavies would have toyed with overrated Hill. Usyk would have annihilated Hill.
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Both Roy and Toney cheated in order to be able to campaign at or fight at higher weights. This is a statement of fact and if Usyk was never being tested for the first decade of his career (which is his entire career so far) like Roy wasn't and then popped dirty the first time he was he would be absolutely crucified for it and his entire legacy and all his accomplishments would be brought into question and discredited. He would not be given a free pass and for it to swept under the rug. Even more so if he popped dirty twice two years apart like Toney did.

    Carl Froch

    'Froch was left shattered when Jones career ended in shame as a drugs cheat. The Brit said: I was very, very annoyed. I put him on a pedestal. Unbeaten, a super-middleweight moving up to heavyweight and winning world titles.

    Pound of pound the best at the time, no one could hit him, he could punch, he could box, he could do everything and usually did in the ring.

    He hardly ever lost a round and then to find out he was cheating on drugs was quite devastating because I was a massive fan.

    You look back and you think was he that good or was he given an extra boost by something else?

    Were drugs giving him thee edge on his way to the top? Was it giving him the edge in hand speed, was it meaning he could go 12 rounds easy?

    Some of his fights were close late on. The guys he was fighting were looking tired and he was still looking sharp was that down to drugs?

    If he was still sharp because he was cheating, then that is unfair because you never know he might have come unstuck in those final two or three rounds.'

    Clinton Woods

    'Former IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods says he's not surprised that former opponent Antonio Tarver and other prominent American boxers are testing dirty. ''I fought in America three times and the testing situation was always joke,'' Woods told the Sheffield Star. ''In three fights, I had one little test and was told it was only for marijuana. It's always annoyed me how rife American boxing is with drugs and steroids, but at least they are cracking down on it now and people are being caught. The trouble is that people there will only get fined pocket money.''

    ''Me and Roy Jones didn't even get drug tested after the fight''

    "When it comes to taking drugs there is no excuse, none whatsoever"

    Woods continued with "I remember when I was boxing if I had a cold I used to go to the doctors and see if there was something that I could take because I knew that there were things I couldnt take; boxers know"

    Joe Calzaghe

    "I would hate to fight a cheat and I don't believe in cheating in any sport. I'm not calling him a cheat and I don't know what was taken or what happened," Calzaghe told The People. "I have to remember to take my vitamin C every morning and I believe in a fair fight."

    He says that even if his opponent, Jones or otherwise, took an illegal steroid, he would still beat them.

    "In athletics, a cheat gets disqualified, but in boxing if you get your ass kicked and then he's found to be a cheat, it doesn't matter because you can't reverse the decision and you've still had your ass kicked.

    ''In athletics drug cheats get banned automatically for two years, and if steroids can make athletes run faster, they can surely help a boxer to hit harder and to hit for longer and this will enable them to inflict more punishment, which I think is repulsive. During our pre-fight medicals we get tested for drugs and it's never crossed my mind to take anything performance-enhancing. I don't have a big pot of pills that I dip into all hours of the day. In fact, I have a job just to remind myself to take vitamins.

    ''I would be angry if someone I fought took something that gave him an unfair advantage because this is a dangerous sport, it's not like running. In athletics it now seems almost part of the culture, just like cycling, and the who idea is to stay one step ahead of testing. I sat alongside Justin Gatlin, at the time the reigning Olympic 100m champion, on the BBC's Question of Sport about a year ago and spoke to him afterwards. We talked about the Jeff Lacy fight because he's from Florida as well and he seemed like a really nice guy and I was genuinely shocked and disappointed when he failed a drugs test last summer. Whenever I watch athletics or cycling now I have my suspicions. Some get caught and some don't but I like to think that fighters are clean. Boxing's a warrior sport and, to me, there have always been values that go along with that.

    ''It's cheating there's no other word for it.''

    Montell Griffin

    ''Roy is not close to being the hardest puncher to ever hit me. But he was so fast that his speed was power. And you know, it's out there now, so it ain't no big secret, but he tested positive for steroids. People always questioned it, but then he tested positive and failed a test and it made me think he was on steroids for all of those fights''

    ''Roy Jones is a great fighter, one of the greatest fighters ever, but like I said, when I found out he failed the steroid test I just lost a lot of respect for him because I just thought he was on steroids when he beat me so that's the only way I can look at it.'

    So when I took the knee, I pulled back, went down on my knee, and looked at up at the referee to start his count. By the time I looked up, the man hit me. He hit me the first time and it caught me off guard and then he loaded up and hit me the second time and at that point I could hear everything that was going on but it was like my body was paralyzed. I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything, I was trying to get up but I couldn't move and I heard the referee counting and I was like, ''Man, I can't believe this! They're going to count me out on this dirty punch.'' When I got up, came to, and got my faculties together I heard my brother say to Larry to disqualify Roy. Roy came over and apologized to me on like three occasions, said he was sorry. As we found out later on in his career that he failed steroid tests so I just feel that he was having roid rage. He was frustrated from what I was doing to him, he caught roid rage, he was frustrated so he hit me.''

    ''Like I said, when he failed the steroid test it kind of hurt me because of course me feeling like I was cheated, and because I looked up to this guy. Knowing that he cheated, it kind of took a little away from him.''

    Frank Warren

    ''I knew Jones was messing around with steroids. It all came out into the public and since he's stopped using he's not looked the same fighter. ''

    Roid Jones

    Former four division champion Roy Jones Jr. is wondering whether or not Antonio Tarver was on steroids in their 2004 rematch - where Tarver, on a single punch, stopped Jones in the second round and Roy was never the same boxer after that contest. On June 22, ***** broke the news that Tarver tested positive for drostanolone, an anabolic steroid. The failed test took place prior to Tarver's twelve round draw against Lateef Kayode on June 2 in California. Jones says it is "very possible" that Tarver was using steroids for their fight.

    Since the positive test result, several of Tarver's past opponents like Danny Green and Clinton Woods have been come in the press with similar questions.

    "You can call it a lucky punch but he did have to throw it. You can call it lucky or unlucky. The only problem I got is now that he's tested positive for steroids, it's very possible that he was on steroids when it happened. Other than that, it was a good punch, a clean punch - so I just can't go off that it was a lucky punch. But if he was on steroids, then it makes me understand on how he was able to stand there and why he was so confident to throw it, because he knows he's on steroids.
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