RJJ's weight-cut from Ruiz to Traver... How bad was it?

Just as I thought, you couldn’t back up your claims. And now you look foolish.

All you did was just randomly drop names of guys who he didn’t fight.

Again, if you can’t back up what you say, then don’t say it.

Most of his low level fights were mandatories.

From the late 90’s, he had mandatory obligations from all 3 of the main organisations.

The other fights were keep busy fights from HBO’s approved list, which were the kind of fights that every fighter fights at some point in their careers.

You have no knowledge of what happened back then.

You have questioned why he didn’t fight a guy like Joe Calzaghe. Yet Joe wouldn’t fight Roy, as he was content to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt against the kind of opponents who you’ve just criticised Roy for fighting. He didn’t even move up to Roy’s went class until the final year of his career.

 

Byrd was faded, not shot.

A shot Byrd wouldn’t have gone 11 rounds with Povetkin.

The guy went from fighting A level HW’s, to getting knocked out in 9 rounds by a C class LHW who’d had no top level wins.

What do you mean Dawson was worse than Ward?

We’re focusing on his weight loss.

I have spoken to his trainer, John Scully, online about the difficulties that he had in making 168. He was drained for the Ward fight. It was incredibly difficult for him to burn that muscle.

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make regarding Canelo.

 

Roy was reputed for being safety first after McClellan went down. It’s why he’s known for crap like pulling out of a fight with Buster Douglas.

 

I’m sure you picked Tarver to beat Roy due to the weight loss. If not, sit down.

 

Watching you comment on a subject you don’t know anything about is painful.

How could he have been risk adverse from 1995, he moved up to LHW and HW where he fought Ruiz and Tarver years later??

His father pulled him out of the James Douglas fight. And it was the first time they’d spoke in 6 years.

 

That’s all you could reply back with?

No, I picked Roy to win, but was concerned on how he’d perform after the weight loss.

After the first fight, it was clear that he wasn’t the same guy as he’d been before.

He should have retired at that point.

He should have had a low level win in Pensacola and then rode off into the sunset.

 

Ruiz was a cherry pick and Tarver forced the issue. He didn’t want to fight Tarver. Same guy he ducked in favor of guys like Derrick Harmon earlier.

 

A guy who was risk adverse wouldn’t have cherry picked ANY world rated HW.

Get real.

If Roy hadn’t have wanted to have fought Tarver, he wouldn’t have.

Nobody made Roy do something that he didn’t want to do.

Roy would have fought Tarver in 2000, if Tarver hadn’t have lost an eliminator to Eric Harding. And how do you duck someone who you end up fighting 3 times?

I’m still waiting on those names.

 

I’ll wait for you to produce evidence that the guys I listed didn’t want to fight Jones. Collins begged for it. Nunn went to purse bids. Jirov and Calzaghe constantly had their names thrown to the press by Jones/HBO. I’m at work. You’re sitting on your ass. Get to work for me.

 

Don’t have an agenda. Just giving you two other examples of fighters that struggled to maintain their performance after draining themselves to make weight. I’m sure if you cared to do research about weight draining you’d find that dehydration and getting punched in the head don’t mix well. That’s all I have to say on this thread.

 

Saying Jones was dehydrated for the first Tarver fight operates on speculation.

Saying he was dehydrated for the rematch operates on fandom and denial.

 

I don’t have to produce a thing to you.

I lived through the era.

I know exactly why those fights didn’t happen.

You opened your big mouth.

The onus is on you to back up what you said.

If you can’t back up what you said, again, it just makes you look like a fool.

You should be used to that though.

 

It doesn’t operate on speculation.

It operates on whether you possess a pair of healthy eyes.

He was running on fumes for the last 3 rounds.

He was completely exhausted.

Did you even see the fight?