Roach Accepts l45 for Cotto

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  1. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    And nobody gives a **** about your ****ing opinion. Do us a favor and go schedule an appointment with your doctor to have a Vasectomy because the world doesn't need your kind.
     
  2. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Look, we are having a fine argument here. We don't need another Pac dick rider liek yourself joining in with nothing to say.
     
  3. J.E.Cash

    J.E.Cash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: **** you read it again - That's what is says. lol - never fails when I'm trying to be a dick. :rasta
     
  4. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hatton if you remember ALWAYS said he was moving up to WW! He said he had trouble making 140 before he lost to Floyd and wanted to be a WW where "HE SAID" that he'd be BETTER. Big difference. PAC said or his camp has said PAC is at his best at 140 or lower. PAC didn't say anything to MAB, EM, JMM, or Diaz about weight either...but as SMALL men, there is a breaking point in jumping up in weight. You have to be smart and not take risks that are TOO great and that is why you have advisors and Coaches in place to ensure you don't over do it!
     
  5. NALLEGE

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    I dis Floyd, I dis Pac, I dis Shane, I dis any fighter, but I have the utmost respect for these men. You put up a great argument Char, and I know Cotto might have agreed to a catch weight. All I'm saying is that why not fight Cotto at 147 so that there are no excuses...that's all.
     
  6. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :admin MY LORD that gal is blessed! Who is she????
     
  7. tolindoy

    tolindoy UBESTRIDTE MESTER Full Member

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    What nothing to say???

    I was definitely right with what I said...Its all over the boxing news, if you know how to read, then you should have known that Pac's team wants it
    143lbs while Cotto's team wants it at 145lbs..

    I was just correcting you mr. "ex-boxing champ"....:hey:hey:hey
     
  8. Soriano

    Soriano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who said Henry Armstrong was not involved in catchweight fight. Read this:

    Henry Armstrong TKO end of 6 Lew Jenkins -- Polo Grounds, N.Y., July 17, 1940

    Welterweight champion Henry Armstrong was obliged to weigh in seven pounds under the division limit for his scheduled 12-rounder with lightweight champion Lew Jenkins. This was no problem for Armstrong, a featherweight champion who was small for a welterweight. Armstrong came in at 139 pounds, while Jenkins was just a half-pound over the lightweight limit of 135.

    The fight held intrigue because Jenkins, from Sweetwater, Texas, was known to be a terrific hitter. New York Times columnist John Kieran was one of many who felt that Jenkins's big punch gave him a chance. "If he can land that punch on a dodging target like Armstrong he may do well for himself," Kieran opined in a prefight story.

    Jenkins did indeed do damage. Joseph P. Dawson reported in The New York Times that Armstrong's left eye was swollen almost shut while his right eye "dripped a blinding flow of blood" after a desperation left hook opened an old cut. Armstrong was winning the fight, though. He took command from the fourth round and Jenkins was down seven times, unable to hold the stronger, superior fighter in Armstrong. Referee Arthur Donovan stopped the fight at the end of the sixth as Jenkins "writhed and groaned on his stool" in the words of reporter Dawson.


    Way back Sept. 1904 when Joe Gans drew w/ Joe Walcot:

    Lightweight champion Joe Gans was the master boxer while welterweight champion Joe Walcott was an aggressive fighter whose nickname, The Barbados Demon, had been well-earned.

    The shorter, much heavier-set Walcott was required to make 138 pounds at an unusual ringside weigh-in and according to the San Francisco Bulletin "saved his forfeit money by a very slight fraction" although the actual weights were not reported.

    There were hints that the boxers might not go all out, but referee Jack Welch visited both men and reassuringly told the Bulletin: "I think the contest will be the best and squarest ever pulled off in San Francisco."

    Welch was not far wrong, with the Bulletin reporting: "It was a great fight. Gans was the clever ring mechanic. Walcott was the same old Barbadoes [sic] hurricane. He carried the fight to Gans from the start and didn't seem to mind the facers that would either have slowed up the average fighter or put him out of commission."

    When Welch signaled a draw the crowd booed, believing that Gans had won. Walcott, the Bulletin reported, was "tickled to death with the verdict and sprang forward and shook the referee's hand."


    Source: [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3238297[/url]
     
  9. Ring Master

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    oh man thank god for that pretty bird in your avi. if i had to see them 2 homo thugs again i was gonna throw up. that was some nasty ****, just the way they looked:dead
     
  10. NALLEGE

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    Pac was not smaller than MAB, JMM or EM. He was close if not their size. Hatton, after he beat and lost to Collazo and Floyd said that the weight had something to do with it. Hatton never said anything before he fought those guys.
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And I agree with you on that! Why not 147 where it would mean more for PAC should he win, yet in the eyes of his handlers, puts him at a greater risk.

    But on the flip side....Should COTTO WIN! Beating a man considered the best in the sport at a more "reasonable" weight will reflect greater on him, moreso than should he beat PAC at 147. He'll be seen as the guy beating up on the smaller man and may discredit his win as well.

    There is no easy way to look at this b/c there are always arguements that can be made. But that is why these men are who they are and they fight the way they do. It's their job and careers to win and for most boxers put on meaningful and ENTERTAINING events. PAC and Cotto will definitley deliver!
     
  12. NALLEGE

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    You're not correcting me about anything as I know the circumstances. I'm giving my opinion that it's ****ed up, and all you're saying is "It's all over the boxing news" live with it with a dick riding Pac fan attitude lol... Genius:lol:
     
  13. Ring Master

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    Well Cotto weighed in at 146 for Hatton, he has to weigh in at 145 for Pac. So 7 pages about 1 pound??? I can't wait should be a good fight. very even b/c of the size difference.
     
  14. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    Yeah I can't wait for this fight. It will be another brawl!
     
  15. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    PAC was moving up in weight.....a weight where EM, JMM and MAB all resided and faught most of thier pro careers. PAC has been able to move up and fill out all the while keeping his natrual gifts that have made him a force FAAAAAR before his skills were relevant. I agree that PAC, JMM, MAB and EM are all similar in size but at the time PAC had to get acclimated to the new weight....fill out and adjust. Its nothing new to him now but that was earlier in his career.

    Only after Hatton LOST to Floyd did he "renig" and say that he's best weight was at 140 where he was "UNDEFEATED". He made some excuses for his poor perfromacne with Callazo but prior to that Hatton always said he was moving up and that he would be a better fighter at 147.