Roach: "Hopkins Never Told Me What Went Wrong In The Calzaghe Fight"

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    "I'm afraid Hopkins might always be that cautious guy we see now. That's the reason I asked him to retire. From the corner, I could see that he was stronger than Calzaghe, and I think he could have knocked him out. But he acted like he was tired. He never explained to me what the problem was. I told him I wanted to figure out what happened, so we could prevent it from happening again. He wasn't tired in training. In fact, Bernard is very tough to handle in training because he punches so hard. Just working the pads with him is hard work because he can punch. But in the actual fight he doesn't do it. I explained to him, if we work together again, we need to figure out why you had these problems in the later rounds."

    Freddie Roach, The Ring, November 2008
     
  2. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Training isnt the same as fighting a champion with an amazing workrate like Pavlik or Calzaghe.....Despite having intelligence, that and a prayer wont do it for him come fight nite. Not against Joe and not against Kelly
     
  3. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    man **** joe and kelly, hopkins is 40 ****ing 3 enough said.just give hopkins back 4 yrs, the same bhop that had jermain out on his feet in 2005.that hopkins would do just fine for me.no matter how good and crafty he is
    hes just to old.

    if he beats kelly by ud im say the same **** and that younger hopkins would have koed him.
     
  4. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Dare to live in the now friend. Every Calzaghe fan on here thinks Bernard is the 2nd greatest fighter in the world because Joe beat him in his last fight.....Nobody gives a fat **** what "mightve happened" thats about as good as "almost" well son we ain't playing horseshoes....and speculation on what a younger Hopkins mightve done means absolutely **** all. Hopkins is about to be KTFO:yep So brace yourself my non-english speaking friend:good
     
  5. SHADOW BOX

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    I agree. And on that note, even Cotto couldnt his trademark punch to the body much against Mosley or Margo.
     
  6. link2296

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    Give me a break...a young Joe Calzaghe wipes the floor with both Kelly Pavlik and Bernard Hopkins.

    If you give hopkins back 4 years doesn't he still lose to Jermain Taylor twice?
     
  7. RealIzm

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    Well you're wandering abit to cotto but cotto in terms of strategy couldve done some things to set up the body abit more......then again how often did Williams go to the body against Margo? Not much
     
  8. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    calzaghe is the very first fighter in years to take it right to hopkins and not give him room to breath.
    tarver/wright/taylor/etc etc stood off him to a large extent and let hopkins fight his fight.

    taylor fights included, calzaghe took hopkins out of his rythem and did not give him any breathing space rounds 4 to 12.
     
  9. RealIzm

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    Now there you go reducing yourself to the same level of ignorance as the poster you highlighted......Ever read Joes book? I thought not. Or else you wouldnt have made such a dumb comment...fact is a young Joe despite being good lacked the self-confidence to take on a prime Hopkins or a prime Pavlik....and if your memory serves you well you'll remember that he avoided Kelly to take a fight with Jones...this was also a main reason why he split with Warren....as we all know a prime Pavlik does much more than a "shot" Jones legacy wise....its on par with Berbick beating Ali:patsch
     
  10. konaman

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    Prime Calzaghe embarrases Pavlik but a prime Hopkins? get out of here. A slightly past prime Calzaghe struggled with a 43 year old Hopkins, no way he does any "floor wiping" with Hops. A physical prime Calzaghe might not even have the smarts and confidence to get by a prime Hopkins. He might have had more power but he was arguably at his best around 05-07.
     
  11. The Prophet

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    Hopkins beats Pavlik if he decides to punch.
     
  12. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Indeed, and Hopkins knew it was going to happen, and still could do nothing about it. He spent his entire training camp preparing for exactly that type of attack from Calzaghe, and then completely clammed when the time came. Even by Hopkins standards it was a strange thing to witness. Sure, he can be pensive on occasion, often, but this was downright... Well, who knows really? Only Hopkins, apparently.
     
  13. The Prophet

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    If Hopkins would've went tit for tat with Calzaghe, he would've been done by the 6th. I though it was a masterful performance by Hopkins to survive the distance that fight. That feigning a low blow in the 11th was classic.

    I think he beats Pavlik though by using his ring smarts and boxing skils. Unlike Taylor, Hopkins will finish Kelly when he catches him, and believe me he will catch him.
     
  14. RealIzm

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    "I thought it was a masterful performance by Hopkins to survive the distance.":nut

    Where in Cardiff do you live?
     
  15. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    calazaghe figured out hopkins as the fight went on read his right hand stepped back and flurried and hopkins then held .

    all this holding/missing/spoiling / tired hopkins out to a much greater degree than it tired out calzaghe and when they were free calzaghe would work.

    being a physical fight with little rest periods during the whole second half of the fight was draining and at 43 hopkins just could not maintain the pace.

    hopkins keeps scorecards in his head and works the fight accordingly, which IMO is why he lost the 2 taylor fights.
    he added the scores wrong.

    his gameplan is to set traps and puniush mistakes.
    calzaghe simply did not give him time in the second half of the fight to set traps but used his quick footspeed to close the distance before hopkins could lure him in.

    pavlik IMO should adopt the stratergy that he used for miranda when he fights hopkins and stay right on him.