Roach is the legend!!!

Um....Sturm?

Since when?

 

I don't know how much sturm has left but he could defenitely make khan a star. Khan has the talent to be a superstar in boxing. Khan has a shaky chin so roach has to help him with his defense and to tuck that chin low so it won't get hit as much.

Roach made pac a two handed monster so i'm confident he can make khan a star as well.

 

Trainers are ok, but I wouldn't say Roach is an Emanual Steward yet. He has Manny has his fighter. Who wouldn't look good in that situation.

 

:good

 

Poor Roach is overloaded!!!!!!!!!

 

Seriously? Imagine Jordan w/o Phil Jackson, 49ers w/o Bill Walsh, Schumacher w/o Ross Brawn, the Pats w/o Belechick, on and on. You can't separate them. Lol, Pac even calls him Master... seriously you think it's just Pac out there by himself?

 

yeah he did wonders with tyson

 

difference is...jordan was with the bulls when they sucked...same with joe and the 49ers....he became great from the bottom on up...roach gets guys who have already been to the top and or have world championship skills....
give me a few names if guys he has trained from day 1? or a guy he took over that already has 6 or 8 losses?
:huh

 

trainers are overrated - roach

 

Lotsa text.

The Bulls sucked? They most certainly did not suck, they were infact improving each season since Jordan got to Chicago. They however couldn't get to that next level which is always the hardest. **** for christsake, Jordan scored 63 pts on the Celtics in the playoffs. You don't suck when you're playing the Celtics in the playoffs! The Bulls were bonafide players and not the doormats they'd been previously. To get to the next level, they turned to the new aged hippie Jackson. Phil broke Jordan down and made him understand, accept what it would take for him to not just be a superstar onto an island by himself. That's what THAT coach did to an already existing superstar.

Pac way back was an explosive fighter but he was by no stretch of the imagination a complete fighter, a superstar. Everyone talks about his swiss cheese defense, his one armed samurai style, lol c'mon. He made it to where he was in early on by sheer guts and talent. I also think the point that us armchair QB's, is that for some friggen strange reason Pac chose Roach. Yar he chose this future Mickey Goldmill looking guy as his coach. And thus their fates are intertwined.

If you think that Pac would have ended up getting thru the Morales, Barrera, Marquez battles with his one arm, swiss cheese D, and guts alone, **** c'mon for reals? All of Pac's great triumphs have come with Roach in his corner, from the fights I mentioned and then his move up the weights.

And again, the point I make is that these relationships between athlete and coach are so tight in the HOF combos that you can't just break them apart and say so and so didn't improve this guy or that guy.

Another point I want to make is that talent like the Pacs, the Sugars, the Mayweathers of this world come so few which is why trainers usually stick to their guy for the duration. They spend their whole lives dedicated to that horse. Lemme ask you why is Joe Paterno so great when he only coached one team? Or Bobby Bowden for that matter? In the same vein can your separate Dundee from Ali? Then you ask yourself what teh **** kind of question is that? That's what I'm saying. Roach has got some time, and he maybe has found his 2nd coming in Khan to Dundee's Sugar.

I get the impression that you think since he didn't meet Pac when he was 16, homeless on the streets that Roach doesn't get any real credit for the work he's done with Pac? That's just crazy, what's he supposed to do, turn away Khan because he is already successful because he won't get the same recognition? What about Benavidez, the youngest Gloves winner that he's working with? Is this kid too successful for Roach to start grooming? There's a reason Khan went to Roach. He got ktfo by a C level fighter, which which made it time to bring in a real trainer. Stories like Cus D'amato finding a bullied and chubby Tyson and turning him into fury wearing boxing gloves is great and all, but I don't hold it against people when they don't have a story like that.

When Michael Schumacher was asked if it was the car (meaning Ross Brawn who was Schumacher's technical director for all of his 7 world championships) or his driving. He said it was the whole package and that you can't just say that it was him, because they needed every piece of the puzzle to work inorder to win. To put that into context, when he was asked this it was in the midst of Brawn F1 winning a double World Championship, so a lot of people wondered if it was him or the car.

 

I had no idea Sturm hooked up with Roach. I sure as hell didn't see that coming.

 

definative:good

 

the roach ballsucking has got to stop. He trains my fav boxer Manny Pacquiao. So f'n what who else he coaches. His legend only grows if he can take those guys to the top.

Just don't see how he's a legend. He's trained other fighters and they look average if not worse than the boxer's previous trainers.