Roach is the legend!!!

Makes you wonder why these fighters are suddenly taking him as trainer tho.

 

Jordan would have done well with anyone as would Kobe Bryant or Dwayne Wade. Guys like that excel. Pac calls him Master- that is good. Pac is the master and he would do well no matter what. I remember when Virgil Hill fought Hearns in 1991, Freddy Roach could tell Virgil anything he wanted and Virgil couldn't do anything because Hearns was too experienced and good. And Hearns did not have Emanual Steward in his corner for that fight. I just think Roach is overrated. This happens a lot. A trainer becomes thought of as great because he has the most popular fighter. Lou Duva was once the greatest guy in boxing. He had Bumphus and Bramble. Later that switched to even Kevin Rooney, who really was not any good but he had Mike Tyson. Tyson was just so motivated.

 

The point wasn't that he would have done well, because he already was the best player in the game. He averaged 39 ppg in his 2nd season so yea, by all measures he owns Kobe, Lebron, Wade and all of them as a sophomore. Larry Bird called him God, after he went 5 on 1 and schooled the whole Celtic team. However, what he didn't have for years later still were rings. And thus the crux, that the other poster was making is that Roach doesn't really add anything to the mix with Pacquiao. Just like with Jordan, it took Phil Jackson before he was able to make the next transition. And to that extent its not just Roach but the system that he put up around Pacquiao.

I touched on this later with the reference to Schumacher. Sometimes its not just the particular individual, but the meeting of the minds that makes the difference and allows them as a group to succeed. Roach refers to Team Pacquiao as just that, a team. It's not just him, its the whole group that is making things happen.

Coaches can be and I think are crucial. To dismiss them because of popular notions I think is just not my cup of tea. People think because Roach talks **** he's an *******, but I see it as him fighting for his boy. With regards to Pacquiao, the dude hasn't been wrong and really that counts a lot.

**Btw, I'm not saying Roach is best damn trainer evar, I'm saying for Pacquiao he was crucial for his growth which has a great effect on his success.

 

Roach did wonders for Pac's career. Arguing against that is just idiotic.

 

pac did wonders for roachs career

 

Roach has trained atleast 4 fighters that fought Floyd, he's not that great of a trainer, Clever Matchmaking at his best.

 

Roach is definitely one of the best around, he'll bring the best out of Khan.

 

before the bulls got jordan, they sucked- FACT
why would they be getting the #3 pick in the draft had the not been in the cellar? they had 28 wins the year before Jordan got there. so the went from worst without Jordan to an eventual dynasty with him. Roach does well with gifted fighters, yes. but you are as good as the fighter you train.

 

Under Fredie the Joke coach Roach

 

Only time will tell!

 

Like Amir Khan for example. You moron.

 

If A-mere-con fights and beats a legit skilled top 10 fighter with a punch then I'll be impressed.

 

Dude, you said that the Bulls sucked with Jordan and that he somehow developed with Jackson and that was different than Roach training an already proven world champ in Pacquiao. This notion is absolutely wrong and ludicrous. Jordan came into the league a national champ, a college legend. He by his mere presence elevated the shitty Bulls into contenders which is where they stayed until Jackson was brought up to change them from a 1st round playoff team to what they eventually became.

Thus Jordan and the Bulls were already developed under Collins. Collins however couldn't develop the team further, and his mishandling of 3 top picks to develop a big man to burden some of the load away from Jordan and Pippen led to his ousting. Guess who pushed him out btw? It wasn't the shoes...

Let's not forget when Larry Bird said "God disguised as Jordan" that it was years before PJ ever was coach. If going by your logic, why couldn't Jordan win 6 rings before Jackson became coach? He already had Pippen and they were both developed already.

For that matter, why couldn't the bumbling duo Shaq and Kobe win any damn thing before Jackson got there?

It has been one sided in this debate it seems. I write a page and you write 2 lines. Coaches matter, and Jackson mattered enough to Jordan that he would retire for the man. Their fates like Roach and Pacquiao are intertwined. I don't know how anyone could separate Pacquiao's path to ATG and the role that Roach played in it. That's all I had on this matter.

 

I will argue it. Pac is such a great fighter, all he needs is a guy there who acts like he is confident and takes care of the side issue and has a gameplan and he is fine. I think Roach is overrated. No Roach did not do wonders for Pacman, Pacman did it.

 

I think Pacman is fast and that is what makes him great. If he didn't have speed all the tactics in the world will not help him. Notice how the great trainers ever had great quick fighters. I give guys like Emanual Steward credit because he took Hearns from a young man of 10 years old and developed him all the way into a legend. That is a real trainer.
By the way about Jordan. I am not a basketball expert, but the fact is we have many great basketball players now compared to when Jordan was playing since maybe he encouraged guys to start playing. Kobe is just as good Jordan from what I can see, and guys like Wade and Lebron look great also. As good as Jordan? I am not sure. Kobe does have the titles now to start competing with that legend. The other guys don't.