Roach on ESPN, Psychology of Peak performance and the superstitions of athletes.

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  1. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude, you're lost. How can you even begin to think Floyd would think pac wouldn't agree to 14 days, let alone 1 day. Seriously man, use some logic.
     
  2. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just don't see how it can happen now. Pac is obviously scared to be tested at the times Floyd is requesting. It's absurd. But he's obviously hiding something. He's trying to hold on to a "**** rope," and the harder he holds the more he slides down. The guy is seriously fuked from here on out unless he just does the test and comes out negative. This will always be on him and his legacy.
     
  3. Steak

    Steak New Member Full Member

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    You should read about baseball superstitions, this is not even close. Baseball(Americas #1 pastime) has more superstitions than other sports that I know.
     
  4. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like i said, its all psychological. Why ***** for a special type of testing? scared much? i would think so! Wasnt Pac "easy fight, easy work?" whats up with all these accusations?:huh
     
  5. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yea, I understand how Floyd was saying pac was easy. Obviously his ego was talking, but it probably would be an easy fight for him. But, that said, there's so much at stake and obviously Floyd knows Pac is on something and doesn't want to risk an unfair loss. Pac not taking a test 14 days before a fight is just fuked beyond belief. But if he is on something, it makes complete sense.
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    If he is on something during the fight... then it would clearly be detected when Manny gives his blood in the dressing room directly after the fight. This is bull**** and everyone knows it. Some people just lie to themselves.
     
  7. boxbox

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    knows? how? he must have proof then?:admin

    the mental battle coming to the fight is clearly at Pac's advantage. Floyd needed assurance that Pac is mortal.

    Why would Pac give him a good night sleep?
     
  8. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because this **** is science. It's methodical; there's a precise time when it's active and in your body and a precise time (window) when you can get away with a test that doesn't show it's in your blood. I would assume they use it a few weeks out and go off of it a day before the fight. It would enhance his training which will add to his performance in the ring, and still have enough to enhance his fighting ability but not not detect in the blood. I'm no doctor or scientist but I come from a pretty extensive bodybuilding background and realize just how intricate the body and drugs are.
     
  9. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    This is science? ****... I thought this is boxing. I think that may also be the miscommunication between Pac and Floyd.

    You can say the same thing about it being 14 days. Guys who use doping agents know pretty simple ways to mask them and have them not come up during testing. If you have a bodybuilding backround you should probably know that already. So in reality... all of this is bull****. Floyd doesn't expect Manny to come up dirty is just trying to gain a mental advantage over Pac... Exactly why would Pac give in even more than he has in order to give Floyd this mental disadvantage? If Floyd is so worried about Manny doping from 24 days out... and then having it out of his system by fight night simply to enhance his training... then Floyd would have the same opportunity to do it himself, and I wouldn't even be surprised if he does do it... or any other athlete at that level for that matter. It's all nonsense and head games, and I can completely understand why Pac doesn't want to feel mentally that he isn't at his best going into this fight. There is no reason why he should be asked to feel that way.

    There is no reason why Pac should be asked to do something that has never been asked of any fighter in the history of this great sport. If anything.. Floyd is demeaning Pac by even demanding this ****, and he is lucky that Pac didn't tell him to **** off as soon as he heard this absurd request. Pac has absolutely NO legal obligation to go through with any of this bull**** and yet he was still willing to give it a try under circumstances that were more comfortable for himself mentally. WTF is wrong with that?
     
  10. Jazzo

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    One of the adults has already explained the situation to Pac: The test will not affect him.

    Being stupid is no defence.
     
  11. afromagus

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    its called superstition
    or attributing worth to something that is seemingly nothing, making it bigger than it is.

    It doesnt matter if scientist explains to a superstitious fellow that taking away his rabbit foot earing wont do any him harm. what matters is that guy will, regardless of the assurance, would feel less than his optimal 100% when his rabbit foot earing is not on him.

    pac had a bad experience with blood being drawn out of him so early before a fight.. and he doesnt want that to happen again.

    floyds knows this and tries to take advantage
     
  12. afromagus

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    so whats wrong with pac wanting his blood test 24 days before, and then immediately after? and then theres the unlimited urine testing

    so if manny takes ped 40-30 days before the fight, and this takes 3 weeks to clear, thats 31-21 days.. 17 - 7 days before the fight, the ped is out of his system, cant detect it.

    blood testing done within 24 days of the fight has a chance of detecting ped, whereas 14 days - hmm has less chance.. not to mention blood testing immediately after, backed up urine testing throughout.

    really manny is being more than reasonable.
     
  13. Danny_Rand

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    Tyson made Holyfield take as steroids test, Abraham has it in his contract.


    Stupid clown.
     
  14. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Uhhh... all fighters take drug tests ******. It is a standard by commission. Of course it may be something added into fights that are in states/country without some sort of drug testing policy... but obviously that is a different story and it is still the same urine tests that EVEYRONE takes.

    Tyson didn't ask for Holyfield to give his blood for testing within a couple weeks of their fight... or at all for that matter. And Abraham doesn't force his opponents to have blood drawn leading into his fights either.

    What ****in' planet are you on right now? Do you realize the difference between a urine test and a blood test? Many has already agreed to take **** tests every day leading up to the fight. Get your ass up to speed.
     
  15. Farmboxer

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    Pac is exciting, Void is boring.