Roach on Margarito -- "He should be banned for life"

Margarito is trash and should never fight again, unless it's while being assaulted in prison. I hope Cotto never gives him another payday.

 

I wouldn't disagree if they banned Margarito for life. What he did should not ever be acceptable in boxing. He could have hurt Mosley and he probably did hurt Miguel Cotto to the point where Miguel might not have been the fighter after that fight he could have been had he not taken a beating, and that is unforgivable to do that to another fighter.

 

I do believe Margarito with the shame he has brought upon himself, has received enough punishment. The worry now for Margarito is that he may bring more and more shame by entering the boxing ring. Take away Margarito's power and tell me what do you have left? A resiliant chin helped by a decent defence? Yes, but since his D isn't really the best and since he, like any other boxer, is limited to the punches he can take, you'd have to wonder what else does he have in his locker, with which he could trouble elite opponents?

Punch output... not when your punches are... that much weaker. Speed? Certainly not.
Height? Yes, but it's not enough. Margarito looks... a basic boxer, a good fighter. But not an elite boxer. That if you take away his power, which made him so dominant. Now, his lifeline to this would be if, ok, he cheated, but he still had that punch to begin wtih. Which again, is possible.

Don't think he had any chances against Shane with plaster or not simply because Shane is that much of a hard puncher and Margarito in all his top fights has got hit flush in many times, as his D, while good, is just not helped by his slow speed/reaction time. And when you get hit flush by Mosley, you're in deep waters.

In my books, Mosley has KO power at 154, let alone at 147. Which is why, Floyd will deserve credit if he beats him. Sure, Mosley is vulnerable to boxers... but jezzz, if Floyd gets hit flush, he's done. Despite what would seem as a good match up for Floyd, I believe this is a very risky confruntation.

 

Let him fight ya bunch of pussies!

 

Listen, I'm not about to debate the facts of this case again when its already been done to nauseum.....

One inspector said it felt normal to him, another had said they were firm but not hard.........and yet another said they were hard.....

When Shane Mosley commented on them, and he had the opportunity to feel them, he said they felt normal to him but was told they had the potential to turn hard, key word being "was told."

When at the actual hearings, there were different accounts to what the wraps felt like, but not one source said they felt as hard as plaster.

The only thing I would like the CSAC to clarify to the public is what was the ratio of the elements found in the wraps in comparison to the ratio of those same elements to what is used in plaster.


The reason I'd like to know is because it was stated by Margarito's trainer that what he had mistakenly used was old knucklepads.......
We know for a fact that the knucklepads were used and been worn before because they were dirty and had a blood stain on them.

When this incident first took place there was alot of discussion on this topic in this forum......I remember that somone from this forum conducted a little expirement of his own and wrapped his hands with gauze for several sessions of hitting the heavybag.
......he did this for several days, each time using the same qauze over again......what he found out is that each time he used the same qauze, the gauze would dry to feel crispier with each use.......meaning that the sweat on the gauze was causing the gauze to turn firm when he took them off and let them out to dry.

Whats in question with Margarito is not the unrolled gauze, but a rolled up knucklepad that was never unrolled after use and which is planted right on top of the knuckle area and then applied more gauze on top of that to hold the knucklepad in place.

Alot of people have'nt figured this out yet......but it was not Margarito's whole handwrap that was confiscated and put into question......what was confiscated was a piece of rolled up gauze thats used to put over the knuckle area and then more gauze in continued to be wrapped over the knucklepad and around the whole hand and wrist area.

The knucklepad confiscated was a used one, which would explain why it felt firmer than normal.
......it had been used several times and moistened with sweat, and allowed to dry several times.
Its natural that it would become firmer.


Now I'm not excusing Margarito or Capetillo, they may very well be guilty.........but I'd sure feel better if the CSAC made it public exactly how much of the elements they talk about were contained in those knucklepads that were consistent with the elements of plaster of Paris......

We may be finding Margarito guilty when the facts may show that the ratio of those elements are so minimal that they would'nt make a difference to the ammount of damage Margarito could cause without it.


Another experiment I would have liked the CSAC to do with those knucklepads is to place them in water and let to soak for a couple of minutes......

If they hardened even further or stayed exactly as they were, then that would be consistent with a hardened plaster substance.......
......if they became moist and spongy as a regular piece of cloth would, then I dont believe the knucklepad in question contained significant ratios of the elements used for plaster of paris.

This is important now because if you take a piece of plaster and soak it in water, its not going to un-harden.

 

The only ***** is the one that had to load his gloves and the people who condone such disgusting actions. You are everything that is wrong with boxing.

 

Source, Link?

See the quotes I provided.

Fair enough. I wish they were a little more forthcoming myself. I have a feeling there were some behind the scenes deals. Why would Arum suddenly be so quiet on this matter after kicking up a storm early on?

That's cool, but I'm cautious when it comes to believing what some of the partisan folks on esb say. You certainly cannot believe what everyone says. Not saying that this guy didn't tell the truth, but who knows.

You seem to be jumping thru hoops to find some kind of doubt. If it was only trace elements consistent with hand lation do you think they would have suspended him like they did and kept him from getting reinstated?

I think if they needed to conduct those kind of experiments they probably would not have had the evidence they needed to shitcan this can. Plus, unless you used the exact substance Margarito did, you wouldnt get accurate results. Nobody except the guilty parties knows exactly what the substance was. If anybody does, they're not saying.

 

:rofl

 

I dont think Arum would approve of these comments.

He wants to set up Pac-Margarito so im sure he will tell Roach to shut up.

 

Its common knowleadge in this forum that there were differenct accounts to how that knucklepad felt like from various people......including Shane Mosley himself who at the dressing room the day of the fight had said it felt normal to him.......

I'm not about to put time and go searching for links to get quotes......if you're you're interested in getting educated, you can search the web yourself, as I'm sure there are various sources that would have those statements.


As for the knucklepad, the LA Times had a picture of it....

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That knucklepad was said to be firm but not hard by various sources.

The way they tell it now, you would think that that knucklepad was a piece of hard plaster, when in the hearing that was conducted, people who were touching it concluded that it was firm, and could be bent.

Hardenened plaster does not bend......


In any regard, even if the knucklepad was found that it did'nt contain enough trace elements to turn hard......the knucklepad in itself was illegal because it had been compressed by previous use, and because of it was firmer having a better pad feel for Margarito's knuckles........
That in itself is reason enough to suspend Margarito.....
The only thing I wish is that the CSAC would make it clear to the extent of the danger that those knucklepads could have caused, knowing that they did not feel like hardened plaster.

 

Should Roach be banned for having a roided up Toney?

 

No offense, but you seem to be trying very hard to see it in a favorable light for Margarito. Why would you believe what random people on esb say? Id prefer to read the transcripts and quotes from the hearings.

Id like to look up Mosleys quotes myself.

 

Should PAC be banned for life if someone find a trace of PED in his blood?

 

No offense but I like to make my conclusions by hearing the cold hard facts.....all of it, not just general statements like the one's made public by the CSAC that alluded to "trace elements."

Was there trace elements in those knucklepads, or was it ****ing plaster that was smeared on it?
You would think if they were proffesional about it they'd make themselves clear on the situation.

.....and as for Mosley's quotes, they were the day of and after the fight.
I dont think you should have much trouble coming across his quotes.