Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

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  1. zchen

    zchen Active Member Full Member

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    nice interview on roach

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    DT - Let's switch gears and discuss the Mayweather/ Mosley bout. Did you see any weak spots in Mayweather's style that Manny Pacquiao would be able to utilize in their eventual match?

    FR - Mayweather got hit much more than he is use to because he has lost the quick movement that he used to have. I believe that his legs are gone and that made him very hittable. Manny is stronger and faster than Mayweather and if Manny has him in trouble he will knock him out.

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    DT - So you are not really looking at a list of potential opponents other than Mayweather?

    FR - I am in the dark just like the rest of the fans out there. The negotiations are going on between Bob Arum and Richard Schafer. I like everyone else await the results so I can get Congressman Pacquiao ready for his opponent.

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    DT - Will Mayweather's defense work against Manny?

    FR - The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

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    DT - Some writers have been quoted as saying that Manny does not have a good enough jab to bother Mayweather. Your reaction?

    FR - When you are a southpaw fighting a conventional fighter, the alignment for the jab is not really conducive for that kind of fighting. Manny has a great jab but when you are fighting a right handed fighter, it changes the dynamics of the positioning of the feet so the jab is not really relevant. So whoever is making those kind of statements does not know boxing because they don't understand how southpaws work against right handed fighters.

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    DT - Some experts have stated that Manny would have to plant himself before throwing his flurries of punches and Mayweather would counter the misses with his right hand. Your feelings?

    FR - Bull****! That's incorrect, Manny never plants himself when he throws punches, he has knocked out everyone by throwing punches with movement. Why would he have to plant himself. These so called experts are way off the mark. Movement is the key to the victory. Manny would never sit there in the pocket and trade punches with Mayweather.
     
  2. KOTF

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    So, Mayweather would just turn southpaw himself thus making the shoulder roll work.
     
  3. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Interesting...
     
  4. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Really whose the runner now?:think
     
  5. slantone

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    its kind of true- against southpaws floyd uses a stand up D more than a shoulder roll. Floyd is smart though- he wont use something that dosent work. he can adapt to any fighter- and Pac is likewise gifted.

    the shoulder roll nullifies the jab cos floyd catches it, and the right hand cos he rolls and glances it over his shoudler, the left hook is the only effective punch- but then the shoulder roll is perfeclty placed to counter it- so the attacker has to be careful, for a returning hook, or right uppercut, or counter check hook. Shane caught floyd because of the alignment of his feet, his left foot was on the outside of floyds left foot- which floyd works hard to never allow happen, it put shane in distance to land- floyd usually dosent slip that up.

    against a southpaw- pac will have a straight line thru to floyds head with his straight left, likewise though- floyd has the straight right- which he used over and over again against zab s southpaw stance.

    anyway- its all true- they both have the styles and the skills to give each other a great fight. floyd has the slight advantage because , heck , his record speaks for itself- but this is why this is THE fight. We all know these are two amazing fighters, that this ist he best fight to be made, boxing at its very very very best. We just need to ****ing see it and stop talkig about it. we ve talked it to death.
     
  6. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've thought the same for some time now. At least someone else is saying it on a "higher-level" even though some just think Freddie talks sh*t. But I don't think his legs are "gone." They're still working and good but not as fast and might not have the endurance in them like they used to. Even Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson...add in Roy Jones Jr...declined at a certain point. Ray by 31 I think according to him...Ali post-exile...and Roy around the same time as SRR...31 or so. But I would still take Floyd's defense over the ones just mentioned. He'll decline, but to what? James Toney. . Toney didn't need to use his legs either and he was still a defensive wizard. Anybody remember what Toney did to Jirov (who was a high pressure fighter). Of course Toney's chin is granite.

    I've always thought had slowed overall...From Head to toe. From his legs not moving as fast to his upper-body motion not being able to react/move as quick as it used to be. But that's going from excellent (from 130-140) to very good (early part of 147). Not positive where I would put it as of now. Still top defensive fighter in the sport regardless.

    I am not sure Manny is stronger than Mayweather though. If he is, then I need his workout program and nutrition guide.

    I would give the edge in overall speed to Pac at this point but timing, and accuracy is going to Floyd. JMM wasn't the fastest guy, neither was a Past Prime Morales, and they got to Pac. So have others.
     
  7. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The guy with 4 ko's out of his last 5 fights?

    I'd hate to see what happens if he stops running.
     
  8. Boxing Fanatic

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    Roach is kind of contradicting himself. Pac is a master at inside fighting. If there is one who won't sit in the pocket, it is Floyd.
     
  9. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Ownage by Roach. Everything he stated pretty much true. You don't see many southpaws throwing many jabs. Martinez, Pacquiao use alot of angles and right hooks instead of the jabs with alot of movement. Not saying southpaws don't, like Paul Williams, for example, but he's not a light on his foot boxer that is very mobile like Pacquiao or Martinez would be plus he's a freak with a huge Klitschko-like reach advantage so he can do that.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    That was against a guy who wasn't even trying.

    $ showed in his last fight that he doesn't need to rely on the shoulder roll all the time. It's not like he used it much vs Judah.

    Floyd's right hand > pac's left hand. Floyd is great at neutralizing weapons. Ez fight.
     
  11. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where the hell are you going dude?

    Read your last post - You said "Who is the runner now"

    So is he running or getting caught needlessly?
     
  12. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    I wasn't talking to you with the last 3 sentences.:patsch

    Anyways, now you know what happens when he doesn't bounce around like a rabbit as much.
     
  13. TheGreat

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    Corley caught Mayweather alot, but he is sneaky with his shots so I don't know what will happen with manny.
     
  14. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Cotto was having hand alignment issues with pac, but he was able to use his jab fine until he dropped it.:think
     
  15. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's talking about Manny's jab.