Roach: "Toney is the most natural skilled fighter I've ever seen, HANDS DOWN"

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  1. icyhush

    icyhush What's on your mind? Full Member

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    i agree
     
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  2. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with most who said Toney is a true inborn fighter, he is one guy who is so relaxed in the ring.
     
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  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Toney was out boxed by Sam Peter. Yes, Sam Peter who has ZERO skill to speak of out boxed James Toney.

    But yes, when Toney was half way dedicated he was a very sharp fighter.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Nov 18, 2008
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  4. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know. Image? It's true tho, Toney is a bad mother****er inside the ring and at press-conferences, weigh-ins and interviews, but at the same time you will not find a fighter who's nicer to his fans. In his free-time he cares a lot for sick and disabled kids, especially autists, does charity work for them and he takes also care of young amateur kids, visiting them in the gym etc... There is no doubt Toney is a hard man, he's one of the toughest men to ever step inside the ring, but that's only one side of him. He's hot-tempered but good-natured, and it shows outside the boxing circus. Basically if you're cool with him he'll be the coolest person around, but if you're being an ass he'll put you right back in place (verbally).
     
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  5. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wrote Toney had the potential to become a top5 ATG if he had the discipline and work-ethic of someone like B-Hop, Roy Jones or Pac. That ain't no joke. I didn't say he was a top5 ATG. Read my posts correctly before replying..
     
    FROST, Nov 18, 2008
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  6. THE BLADE

    THE BLADE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    TOP 5 is pushing it a little bit. But definitely TOP 10.

    Unlike Jones and Hopkins, Toney never lived up to his full potential.
    A dedicated would have also become lightheavyweight and heavyweight champ. Also, some of his losses would never had happened.
     
    THE BLADE, Nov 18, 2008
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  7. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To me...Boxing skills is the same as boxing talent.

    If you think James Toney is more talented than Roy Jones, then I don't know what to say.
     
    soxfan57, Nov 18, 2008
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  8. lowblow3

    lowblow3 Former Champ Full Member

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    I don't think that Roach's statement is that surprising. Toney is easily one the most gifted fighter of the past 25 years. Talentwise he clearly ranks above Pac or Dlh. What does surpise me is that Roach doesn't take his share of responsibility for Toney's bad conditioning. A prouder, less money oriented trainer would simply have left Toney at some point.
     
    lowblow3, Nov 18, 2008
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  9. FROST

    FROST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You made a very good point there. I never thought about it before. Roach just didn't have enough authority over Toney, they were more like buddies. In the end, Roach was reluctant to train Toney anymore after all these setbacks. Bill Miller was criticizing him for not taking training serious enough and that led to the split. Eddie Mustapha was another hardcore trainer that couldn't control Toney. After becoming champ, Toney never really needed a trainer to teach him boxing, he just needed someone with authority enough to keep him in the gym and train. Roach wasn't the right man. Hopefully his new trainer Shadeed Suluki can do it, an old-school fighter needs an old-school trainer.
     
    FROST, Nov 18, 2008
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  10. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Best you don't say anything i think.
     
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  11. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    Good post. I concur. :good
     
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  12. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Toney is funny as hell man. What are talking about? He's like a fat old drunk uncle who could kick your ass lol.
     
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  13. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    If Toney would have stayed at cruiserweight after he dethroned Jirov, no doubt in my mind Toney would still rule that division with an iron fist. Toney would be undefeated as a cruiser and quite possibly go down as the best cruiserweight ever.
     
    See Me Flow, Nov 18, 2008
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  14. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney's skill does tend to get overrated a bit though due to the novelty value of his defensive style.
     
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  15. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We all know Roach has the hots for Toney. This is nothing new and doesn change the fact that Toney is an overrated mediocre fighter, with an over average mouth.
     
    JoeAverage, Nov 18, 2008
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