ROACH tries pushing PACMAN to fight OSCAR

Farmboxer · Nov 27, 2009

Roach did his best to get Void to fight Pac, but Void refused, so Pac fought another fighter Void refused to fight by the name of Cotto.

thesmokingm · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

Thats PacDbest in a nutshell!
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Pachate at its finest.

el mosquito · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

My question was really meant to get Speedy and the rest of the *******s to realize that PacDbest is just as much a joke then, now and in the future........

The *******s praise PacDbest now because he called his win over DLH.......when its plain as day to see it was a lucky crapshoot on his part, as PacDbest would have called a victory for Pacquiao against every fighter who has ever climbed up the ring ropes.

.....the fighters I named are all fighters PacDbest claimed Pacquiao would beat......which goes to show you that his picks have very little merit as he is picking Pacquiao to beat the greatest Welters of all-time.

My opinion of PacDbest would have been different if he'd have said something like, "I dont know how Pac would have fared against the greatest Welters of the sport, but I definitely see that he can beat the current version of Welters now."
.......had PacDbest said something along those lines, his opinions back then in hindsight would have been more respected now by posters such as myself.....

.....but because PacDbest chooses Pac to beat every welter in history.......you might as well just crap on his picks and just take them as nothing more than coming from a fanboy.

My Dad who does'nt know much about boxing was the only person in his job circle that included many knowleadgeable boxing fans who called Joe Frazier's victory over Muhamad Ali......my Dad's brother was an avid boxing fan from his childhood who followed boxing intently through television,radio,and print media, laughed at my Dad and told him, "you dont know anything about boxing, you could'nt roll off the names of 5 proffessional fighters to save your life."

When Joe Frazier bested Muhamad Ali, my dad was in my uncles face telling him, "who does'nt know anything about boxing?"

Thats virtually what PacDbest did with his call of Pac over DLH.....a crapshoot just like my dad in a situation where he got lucky in.......

As PacDbest would have picked in favor of Pacquiao against anyone in history on a given night.......my Dad would have picked anyone against Ali the night he lost to Frazier.

Thats PacDbest in a nutshell!
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Naaahhhhh pacdbest is just right all along, and you were wrong, you pacdbest hater :yep

scatterbrain · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

PacDbest has my nuts, hell!
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fixed.

houseboy · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

My question was really meant to get Speedy and the rest of the *******s to realize that PacDbest is just as much a joke then, now and in the future........

.....but because PacDbest chooses Pac to beat every welter in history.......you might as well just crap on his picks and just take them as nothing more than coming from a fanboy.

Thats PacDbest in a nutshell!
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But you should also admit that Pacdbest has a better "winning" percentage than you when it comes to predicting the outcome of a fight. I'd rather be lucky (Pacdbest) than good (you). :hi: :bbb

Farmboxer · Nov 27, 2009

Pac earned my support by surprising me more than once.

8count · Nov 27, 2009

"tell it how it is" ???? - how it is is that it's difficult to eat crow.

Freddy ROach saw the opportunity on a beatable OScar (not bec he'd be drained but because he has immersed himself into his Golden Boy status to a fault). PacdBest saw that too.

PacdBest is ACTUALLY Freddy Roach.

El_Rey · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

My Dad who does'nt know much about boxing was the only person in his job circle that included many knowleadgeable boxing fans who called Joe Frazier's victory over Muhamad Ali......my Dad's brother was an avid boxing fan from his childhood who followed boxing intently through television,radio,and print media, laughed at my Dad and told him, "you dont know anything about boxing, you could'nt roll off the names of 5 proffessional fighters to save your life."

When Joe Frazier bested Muhamad Ali, my dad was in my uncles face telling him, "who does'nt know anything about boxing?"

Thats virtually what PacDbest did with his call of Pac over DLH.....a crapshoot just like my dad in a situation where he got lucky in.......

As PacDbest would have picked in favor of Pacquiao against anyone in history on a given night.......my Dad would have picked anyone against Ali the night he lost to Frazier.

Thats PacDbest in a nutshell!
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Dude, where did you go to school? DC or Nevada? LOL. You sound so ******ed with you argument.

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coupdegrace · Nov 27, 2009

pacdbest >> divac :blurp

El_Rey · Nov 27, 2009

8count said: ↑

"tell it how it is" ???? - how it is is that it's difficult to eat crow.

Freddy ROach saw the opportunity on a beatable OScar (not bec he'd be drained but because he has immersed himself into his Golden Boy status to a fault). PacdBest saw that too.

PacdBest is ACTUALLY Freddy Roach.
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:rofl:rofl:rofl

Ya Boy NeXt · Nov 27, 2009

I was one of those saying that Pacquiao would be in trouble if he fought Oscar. What a fool I was.

toughy82 · Nov 27, 2009

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What a douchebag...as if this guy didn't show he bows to the dollar, when he ditched Israel Vasquez and the rest of his fighters who had upcoming fights to go sub for Floyd Sr.

...now this guy is trying to send the fighter he supposedly "loves like a son," into this fight where he is grossly overmatched, so that he can get his portioin of a **** split...:barf

From the
Manilla Bulletin (online 8/14)
By NICK GIONGCO

Trainer Freddie Roach was saddened when told about the breakdown of the negotiations, saying he is planning to
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said the disillusioned Roach.
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Roach said it is only De La Hoya who can generate huge pay-per-view numbers as evidenced by his fight with Floyd Mayweather last year that generated over two million buys at $ 54.95 per subscription for a whopping $ 120 million in gross revenue.
Roach pointed out that when Pacquiao fought David Diaz last June, it only generated less than 200,000 buys.

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said Roach, who disclosed that he had already set everything up for training camp.
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:rofl:rofl:rofl I love reading this old ****....everyone is sooo sure of themselves.

charlievint · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

Your theory may be true with a young fighter still in his prime......but not an old fading fighter coming down to a weight he had'nt been in in a decade.

DLH had always been a fighter to gain substantial weight after a weighin.......for example he weighed in at 147 lbs for his rematch with Chavez, and walked up the ring steps weighing 160 lbs.

.......he was outweighing most of his opponents by plenty in his younger days......what would make him think that now as an old geezer he would benefit from coming in at 145 lbs and basically not gain any weight overnight.

Sorry.....if you're the older and slower fighter, coming in light is not going to benefit you against someone who's much younger and faster.......its just pure logic.
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Nard when he faught DLH wasn't considered a prime dog...and he got down to a weight he's NEVER seen before. He didn't have any issues.

When DLH faced Chavez and came into the ring at 160 his conditioning and stamina were always a question mark for him and always seen as his achilles heal.

I see your logic and it does make sense....especailly the last part. But I don't think DLH felt that coming in lighter would be a problem b/c he felt he did EVERYTHING RIGHT in his camp. He had the right training/trainer, strength and conditioning coach, cheft and nutritionist who used science to come up with a training camp specifically in place to get DLH's weight down effectively, effiecently and in the healthiest manner. Did the wegiht affect him....possibly....did he do poorly against PAC...Defnitley...but so did Ricky and Cotto.

Cotto really only should have been allowed 8 being nice 9 rounds against Manny who took DLH out in 8. So in hindsight.....how bad did DLH really do considering Ricky and Cotto where were in their primes didn't do much better if at all against the same PAC Man?

puga_ni_nana · Nov 27, 2009

Marnoff said: ↑

It was seriously underestimated how badly going back down to 147lbs would impact De La Hoya.
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as if oscar fighting at 154 would help him beat pac that night? people are also underestimating pac's performance that night.

charlievint · Nov 27, 2009

divac said: ↑

My question was really meant to get Speedy and the rest of the *******s to realize that PacDbest is just as much a joke then, now and in the future........

The *******s praise PacDbest now because he called his win over DLH.......when its plain as day to see it was a lucky crapshoot on his part, as PacDbest would have called a victory for Pacquiao against every fighter who has ever climbed up the ring ropes.

.....the fighters I named are all fighters PacDbest claimed Pacquiao would beat......which goes to show you that his picks have very little merit as he is picking Pacquiao to beat the greatest Welters of all-time.

My opinion of PacDbest would have been different if he'd have said something like, "I dont know how Pac would have fared against the greatest Welters of the sport, but I definitely see that he can beat the current version of Welters now."
.......had PacDbest said something along those lines, his opinions back then in hindsight would have been more respected now by posters such as myself.....

.....but because PacDbest chooses Pac to beat every welter in history.......you might as well just crap on his picks and just take them as nothing more than coming from a fanboy.

My Dad who does'nt know much about boxing was the only person in his job circle that included many knowleadgeable boxing fans who called Joe Frazier's victory over Muhamad Ali......my Dad's brother was an avid boxing fan from his childhood who followed boxing intently through television,radio,and print media, laughed at my Dad and told him, "you dont know anything about boxing, you could'nt roll off the names of 5 proffessional fighters to save your life."

When Joe Frazier bested Muhamad Ali, my dad was in my uncles face telling him, "who does'nt know anything about boxing?"

Thats virtually what PacDbest did with his call of Pac over DLH.....a crapshoot just like my dad in a situation where he got lucky in.......

As PacDbest would have picked in favor of Pacquiao against anyone in history on a given night.......my Dad would have picked anyone against Ali the night he lost to Frazier.

Thats PacDbest in a nutshell!
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You definitly have a point and I think PacDBest would agree that you'd never hear him go against PAC in any circumstance.:good

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