Roach: "We Don't Need To Fight Cotto For No Title"

That title is not meaningless . . . for Pac's purpose and intention to be a 7 divisional champ. The title per se . . . can be viewed as the weakest and the least recognized among the ABC boxing organizations but still it is a legitimate title.

Arum is down playing it's value just to make this fight happen because he is earning from both sides who ever wins. And that "worthless" comment is a direct challenge to team Pac's inteligence.

As to Roach . . . it only justifies what I'm saying. For Pac's purpose and intention . . . that belt is the key for Pac making history. That's why Roach is saying "we don't need to fight Cotto for No title".

 

If Cotto doesn't put the title on the line,
it makes it seem like he lacks the confidence to win the fight.

That's what I think.

 

Roach want the cake and eat it too here is the two options catch weigh 145 no title, welter division 147 for the title everybody is tired of this bs good advice to Pac go back to the junior and stop fooling the public. Cotto is very firm you want my welter title come and get it but at 147.

 

Forget about the WBOgus title, Cotto wants to keep the $400,000 fee they'll want.

 

Huge advantage? Many Pac fans claim "cmon, two pounds isn't a big deal, Cotto should put his title on the line at 145 pounds". So if it isn't a big deal weighing two pounds less, why is it a big deal weighing two pounds more?

The thing is, it's Cotto's choice to put his belt on the line or not, since he's not allowed to come in at the welterweight limit. It's a welterweight title after all, not a catchweight title. So it's his choice to put it on the line, but he doesn't have to, like some people claim.

And in the end, if Pacquiao wants to fight the big guys (welters) and have big wins like those in his resume, then he should do it at that weight. If he can, that is.

 

Yeah. if pac wants the title, then get it at 147. That's what fightfans want, right? fight at the welterweight limit of 147! then make the fight. Fight at 147 pounds on fight night!!!

 

Excellent post.

It's in Cotto's interest to put his title on the line, but on the other hand it's in Pac's interest to allow Cotto to defend it at the welterweight limit. Plain and simple.

 

You might be the wisest and most insightful poster on this forum !

 

You're definitely pulling my leg, but I can't prove it. :blood

 

How was Lalonde's light-heavyweight title on the line when he fought SRL at 168 which is supermiddleweight (that is about 20 punds north of lightHW? That fight was for two titles, the supermiddleweight and the LHW. And is SRL really a 6 division champion for gaining a LHW crown at supermiddleweight?

1-2 pounds difeerence is not significant if he has 4 months to loss it. It is not like they are asking him to loss it in a weeks time that he had to drain himself. He lcame in at 146 against Clottey.

Besides, how come that Cotto comes in at 158-160 at fight night, which is basically a middleweight division, a two division jump.

Catchweights are nothing new. Since Pac is basically a 140 fighter at most, fighting someone as big as cotto (really big bulkwisre) has to have concessions in order for it to happen. Same as how come the JMM-PBF fight was at 144 instead of 147.

 

If 1-2 pounds is not significant, then Pac shouldn't have a problem coming in at 147 instead of 145.

And if Pac wants to collect legit welterweight belts, he shouldn't put limitations on his opponents.

We can go on all night about this, saying the same things over and over again.

 

They call those concessions. It happened so many times in the past. Cotto is the biggest available fight for Manny right now unless you think that he should be fighting Valero, Soto, GUzrun. Mosley is just too big and although he offerred to fight Manny at 140, that is just absolutely garbage because there is nothing to add to his legacy. Besides, Mosley is a GBP fighter which I Arum would not even consider taking the fight. GBP already has a cut in Pac's purse by virtue of the dispute resolution arising from himsigning contract with GBP. And if he fights Mosley, then GBP may actually take the bigger pie because both fighters in some ways are tied to GBP.

Pac basically cam
e in at at a fighting weight of 148 in his last fight AND in this weigh in, he will probably be at 142. Cotto will probably be at 145 but he will baloon to 158-160 at fight. At this divisions, a 10 pound difference is very big that skills might not negate ala Gatti-Gamache.

If you insist on 147, then Cotto should not be allowed to exceed 154 at fight time which is the next division instead of a two division jumps from weigh-in.

 

What about Mayweather?

Guzrun he is, indeed.

 

Stated even more wisely.

And no, I'm not pulling your leg.

Read my posts on the subject. We are in complete agreement on this issue.

And that's what makes your post(s) in this thread so insightful.:good

 

Sugar Ray was an ATG and a living legend (No matter what RedRooster tells you), but nobody, except Sugar and Maybe his mother believes he was ever a legit LHW champ.

He forced Lalonde to box at 168 for a 175 title, just so he could have both titles.

In doing so, he weight-drained Lalonde, thereby tainting even the 168 lb title, and can't really be considered as a legit title holder at either 168 or 175.

He was at best a, three weight champ: 147, 154 and 160.


And A certain bald-headed black dude might dispute even the 160 bit.