Roadwork- more miles or higher intensity?

examples of what?

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Pretty much yeah.

That's why you reply to half my posts with insults directed at myself without actually making a point or giving an opinion on what the thread is about :roll:

I'm sure you did :good So did I for 5 years. See, it's easy to lie on the Interwebz.

Yet you're that moronic you think running is a requirement for boxing.

You do realise 99% of the guys you're talking about are utterly clueless when it comes to actual conditioning, strength training, endurance work etc? A boxing coach is just that, a boxing coach. The vast majority of these guys have absolutely no clue whatsoever about actual training outside of teaching boxing. You prove this with your attitude "You have to get up at 6am and run! Run, run, and run or you'll never be a good boxer!" What a load of ****.

Repeating the same ****? Like what exactly?

 

that doing long slow distance running is worthless.

its a matter of misconception.

sprinting intervals is many times better then long slow distance but better then sprinting intervals is putting the same intensity into shadow boxing, pads, bag work, sparring ect.

if boxing was a meal people often think of LSD running as a side dish like a baked potato with the steak, but thats wrong. bag work is the side dish shadow boxing is the side dish while sparring and actually fighting thats the steak.

lsd is a condiment, you dont get your nutirients from the salt pepper and ketchup its just there to make the meal taste better.

theres no reason to completly replace a condiment with a side dish like HIIT sprinting.



now as far as running at 5 am i dont completly agree with it, but look at it like this, if every morning you run 5 miles and then still go put in a good 2 hours in the gym how much better do you think your going to be on the day of the fight when you dont run 5 miles at 5 am?

 

This, Ylem.

Where's your sparring video?

 

still waiting on wayneflints or leftys

 

Your whole view on conditioning is embarrassing. You are now a welcome addition to my block list. Good day.

 

As ross says

http://rosstraining.com/blog/2010/09...ining-footage/

 

6 mile runs is straying too far from the sport itself. Long distance running is not one of the fundamentals of boxing ffs.

 

no its a condiment of the sport.

as ive been telling you guys for years, its to improve breathing

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19876&more=1

its not a side dish, its not a fundamental, its just something that you can do when your completely knackered and makes everything else you do work better.

and im sorry but did i say 6 miles or did i say 3-6 miles? i mean if i said 6 miles then i appologize because i could have sworn i said 3-6 miles.

people like ali were running 6 miles at his peak, calgahaze 4-5 miles, ssr 5 miles, tyson 5 miles, dempsey 5 miles, mayweather jr 5-8 miles, marciano 6 miles, though most people dont really need much more then an easy 3

Hell John l sullivan didnt even jog, he would walk out for 7-8 miles then walk back the for 5 or 6 and run full bore the last 2 miles.

bob fitzsimmons would walk out for 8 miles and jog back 8... along with sprinting intervas...but of course boxing is in the stone ages...even though theyve been doing interval training since they first invented rounds...

and people like jack dempsey would advocate a 30 min walk at night.

if lsd is sooo horrible why have so many done it and experienced such outstanding results?

perhaps your familiar with the term strawman argument, people make LSD into something its not and then argue against that something its not because they cant argue against what its actually ment for because its the best thing for what its actually ment for.

can you shadow box while sprinting intervals? can you concentrate on breathing while sprinting intervals?

wait wait wait who the fukk would shadow box while jogging????

i dont know maybe the P4P greatest boxer ever?

http://youtu.be/IBBiQx8bMDU

at 32 sec you can see him working angles while jogging followed by him working foot work while jogging.




and what about sprinting intervals after a good 2 hour session in the gym?? how useful is that going to be? you might as well go do 100 push ups and pull ups then work on improving your 1rm bench weight....


ive bolded the important questions, perhaps some one can answer them with solid scientific proof involving experimental evidence instead of just calling me an idiot like normal.

or maybe you guys just resent me because im telling you how to become a better boxer while your new age training has kept you from going anywhere....misery loves company you know. its like your not even trying to help people out, your just trying to prove me wrong.

 

El Puma,

Thanks for the article. I always appreciate something that we can actually think and learn from. I understand his philosophy, although I am not positive that strength training for endurance athletes is something new. However, I hear what he is saying about LSD, although the folks he is talking about are typically running long marathons and the like that put in far more miles than a boxer ever should. I am an advocate for LSD work for those starting out(have high resting heart rate) and who have not built an aerobic capacity to do the more taxing work.

I got on the crossfitendurance site. When looking at the protocol for the metcon and endurance work, I get the concept, which is much better programmed than the original crossfit site. The workouts are a combination of a lot of threshold training and cardiovascular power intervals, both which are very intense and great ways to get the heart rate to adapt quickly to what you want it to do. Of course, there is also an emphasis on speed and rate of movement as well. I also like how he promotes recovery, which is something that athletes in general often struggle with.

The one problem I have and always will have with crossfit(aside from the way many come across in interviews) is the use of snatches and cleans in metcon work. It is dangerous to use these lifts in this fashion. Although boxing is not completely the same as to what he is describing, if some of these workouts are programmed properly around gym work, it could produce quality results quickly.

Again thanks for the article.:good

 

Thank you for your excellent contribution.:thumbsup

 

You dont know anything about the sport of boxing so stop trying to give advice on how to train for a fight. Most of the boxing trainers i've known and worked with also use personal trainers to prepare their boxers. So yes they have learned from professionals and dont know just boxing but a lot more than that. But since i doubt you have ever been involved with the sports let alone taken part of a professional boxers training camp but you want to act like you know what it takes to prepare for a fight without ever doing it or seeing it first hand. Is easy to act like you know because you read this or seen that but is another thing to actually experience it first hand and seen it up close and personal.

I'm done with you all i know is that you will never be hire by a boxing coach and nobody will ever ask you for advice on boxing and as soon as they hear you they would laugh at you.

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I've never claimed to know a thing about boxing...

Again, never done this...

Are you really that thick you can't see you just proved my point?

So hang on, they get a PT to train the guys outside of boxing skills yet these boxing coaches know everything these PT's know but they get a PT to train them anyway? Makes sense. Or maybe it makes more sense to send them to a PT because they're clueless as to how to train them outside of teaching boxing.

You worked this out how? I've participated in many different sports, including boxing,

Well that's completely irrelevant....

I have never posted about pre fight training. What the hell are you going on about?

It really is kind of pathetic that you have to make things up in an awful attempt to make me look wrong in everything I say because you disagree with a few things I've said. Instead of at least attempting to prove me wrong in what I've said, you start blabbering on about things you've apparently read me commenting on when I've never given any advice on or even given an opinion on those matters, in this case pre fight training :huh.

You're a liar is basically it.

Seeing as I'm not looking to be "hire by a boxing coach" I to very much doubt it will happen. Also, I doubt anyone would ask for my advice on boxing seeing as I've never claimed to know anything about boxing.

Your entire post is one ****ing huge strawman argument as per usual.

If you think I'm wrong feel free to quote where I've given boxing advice. I'd love to know what I've said that you constitute advice.

 

Long runs DO have a place in boxing, but they are not so much about the conditioning of the CV system, as the demands are completely different, but it's good for shedding the body of fat, thats why boxers get up so early, as the glycogen levels are low so the body is straight into burning fat. Try doing HIIT with no fuel in the system, its not going to go very well, but long steady is ok.

HIIT, hill work in bursts, circuits at high tempo, and the obvious usual training requirements of boxing training itself.

 

saying 99% of boxing coaches dont know **** about physical preparation and training methods makes you look stupid.. is a ****ing public forum and any jackass like Virus can come here and make stupid claims about people they havent met or seen in person.. you dont even know their credentials or experiences but yet you make those claims and question their methods.... all you are is a forum expert wannabe and that's all you'll ever be

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