Rob, where are ya? Booth on Haye

54.4/46.6 and thats my final offer!!:twisted:

 

If we are only to comment and make judgements on what we have personally witnessed then your argument means **** all either so that point is totally irrelevant.

Do you actually believe that Haye should keep 100% of ppv money when Klitschko's name would undoubtedly add to the sales? Or are you saying Klitschko would not add more than Valuev or Ruiz?

Anyone who's judgement is not clouded by bias can see that Haye does not want this fight. He is the challenger, he knows Wladimir is not going to roll over and pander to his absurd demands and is using tv rights, ppv money etc etc as a smoke screen. If he wanted the fight a 50-50 split across the board should be more than enough.

 

I don't really have an argument about who should get what, my only argument is that if you are arguing for one person or the other based on what their camp says you are seriously biased for failing to see how tenuous your sources are. My other argument that Haye should be allowed to negotiate just as the Klitschko's have done and will continue to do is nothing but common sense, he absolutely has the rights to do that and if you believe the Klitschko's have some kind of devine right to be the only ones to negotiate you should probably stop licking their ass.

I don't care what they do with the PPV money, my point was you don't grasp how PPV's sell and why they sell. The big numbers come from a fight that sells as an event, but the basis of the PPV numbers always comes from the home fighter, this is pure common sense. Think about Klitschko's potential to sell PPV's in the UK on his own, and Haye's potential to do the same.

 

You keep implying that I have an agenda or I'm favouring Klitschko because I am pointing out how ridiculous Haye's demands are, this tells me that you are a Haye apologist and ass kisser just like anyone else who even tries to defend his demands. I am basing my argument on what both camps have said. I didn't say Haye hasn't got the right to negotiate, of course he can negotiate but he should also know his place.

I know exactly how ppvs sell, I know that sales will be a lot higher for Klitschko V Haye than they were for Haye V Ruiz, and why is this? Because Klitschko is the the hw no 1!So how you fail to grasp that Haye should not get all ppv money when Klitschko's standing as the best hw in the world will directly affect the sales, is beyond me.

 

Said the man as he demonstrated his own bias.

 

Oh the irony I use common sense to form my judgement. You on the otherhand will defend Haye no matter what. If Adamek demanded more than 50-50 to fight Haye would that be fair? I can't wait to see this **** backfire on you guys when the shoe is on the other foot.

I'm out, as the old saying goes, "never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience". :hi:

 

Thank god they don't want to do the Audley fight as that fight is ****. Adamek is a **** hot fight. Adamek is a legith 175, 200 and HW.

 

@TFFP. You right, I am naive. I wont even pretend otherwise.

What I say below is what I belive, but may be on a different level of naeivity to what has gone beforehand

Klitcko will be expected to be interviewed every three seconds on SSN like Valuev, footage of him knocking people out will be used in every ad break, casual fans will lap up the Drago similarities, hed be expected to come to London etc and help promote the PPV (after all, German money is fixed and the crowds in Germany dont need hype to go to the fights), and for all this it is ok to say that he shouldnt be paid a dime

Hatton v Mayweather sold astromically because of the media telling us every second how good mayweather was. Best fighter in the world, p4p #1. Mayweather played his part by that cheap but always effective rival kit stunt he pulled at the manchester press conference and all the trash talk. People who know jack about boxing were coming to me and asking me about this Mayweather guy. One girl was saying to me, 'He thinks he's all that'. To which I replied,'he is'

Now I honestly believe although he lacks the Charisma of Mayweather, Klitschkos stature, colour, achievements and power will get people talking and will get people buying. For that he deserves a slice of the PPV pie

 

You do have an agenda. I don't, I don't actually care I'm just picking holes in your biased view of proceedings. I don't care who gets what, I wish they'd just get on with it, they both come across as the typical greedy sportsmen with giant egos.

Number 1 heavyweight is completely irrelevant. You and me know he is but the bulk of the people that will make up PPV numbers will only have heard of Klitschko when pundits have referred to him during Haye's fights, or better yet they might have only heard of him because Haye has been gunning for him which is a great irony. The bigger boxing fans MIGHT have tuned in at 3 am many moons ago when he bored us against Ibragimov. I think you underestimate your own passion for the sport when you assume everybody is going to know who Klitschko is.

 

I guess they'd better make sure the next Klit fight doesn't clash with a Prizefighter touney again. That really knocked the viewing figures last time out....;O)

 

If you don't see the irony... champ, listen: base your judgement on facts, not common sense which, like common knowledge, is utter bollocks most times.

All we know is that K2 made an offer based on their pre-existing contracts. Hayemaker wanted to use their German TV partner or whoever offered the most money. K2 said no they wanted their TV partner. So Hayemaker counter-offered that they could, on condition they could use their UK partner exclusively. 50-50, except that.

I understand K2's reluctance and I understand Hayemaker's reluctance. It's disappointing on both sides.

That is a genuinely unbiased view because it's based on the facts as we know them.

The reason I defend Haye is because too many people want to blame him rather than the reality, which is that both are at fault. Anyone who says different isn't looking at the facts objectively.

 

Like I said, I'm out. It's impossible to debate a point when everytime a valid argument is brought up it is countered with "oh but you have an agenda". Everyone on here favours one side more than the other, even you although you won't admit it. I have no vested interest in either, I respect Wladimir a whole lot more than Haye but as boxers I rate both highly.

 

The only honest man on ESB eh?

 

Wouldn't Haye be considered the #1 heavyweight in the UK? I mean as far as most people are concerned he won the heavyweight title against Valuev and defended it on Skysports and has been paraded around the media. Why wouldn't they? How are they supposed to know some Ukranian out in Germany that is scarcely covered in the UK is infact considered the best in the world of boxing?

 

You win, I can't be bothered anymore.