Robert Garcia - "Usyk was mentally stronger"

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  1. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You could also argue that Usyk is way more athletic than AJ.
     
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Idk... this seems like a bad look for Garcia. This isnt something you turn around and say about your fighter right after a fight. Makes me think theres bad blood somewhere in there. Maybe AJ insulted him at some point after the fight when he had his breakdown.
     
  3. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wow at the bunch of people on here who are kicking on a downed man. Absolutely pathetic.

    Absolutely pathetic as well from Garcia. He is more of a media star, than anything nowadays it's seems.


    Doesn't matter if AJ has fired or going to fired him, or that was 1 fight affair, more likely that was 1 fight let's see if this is going to work or not.


    But you don't go out and talk s**** about your fighter, whether that was 1 fight affair or not. Absolutely pathetic, that speaks terribly bad for Garcia.

    We should also consider all of his big words before the match, and how many things were going wrong in the first camp, and how AJ was so so much better fighter now and knows how to beat Usyk, something i didn't see to be fair.

    AJ is a great elite fighter, and anyone claiming otherwise is a complete deluded fanboy. He is top 3 fighter that can beat anyone on his best day, anyway aside from Usyk most probably.


    Still what Garcia really change/do to be fair? He change few stuffs tactically, and it was all that to be fair. I mean it's not rocket science or some big ask to tell your fighter to go to the body more. Apart from that, what was different actually from AJ ?


    He was the same fighter as always was. His cardio wasn't better, he actually throw a lot less punches now, compare to the first fight.

    All of Garcia plan was that Usyk will be hurt to the body and probably going down, based on 2 fights out of 400 , that happen 10+ years ago .... This was more of a gamble to be fair, not a great plan.


    He was also saying pre-fight that they will adapt through the fight and i see nothing of that.


    Usyk won 9-3 first fight, aka 117-111. I had him winning 8 rounds 3 for AJ and 1 even, aka 117-112. This is all that matter so i fail to see the "big" work that Garcia has done.


    AJ has all the skills in the book, he just need to understand how exactly to goes through the motion, when to step up his game, how to recover better, when to goes for the kill, and when it's not going to happen and to try not to blew his gas tank.


    Obviously Usyk is mental giant, no doubt about that, but AJ is a build as rock, full with muscle, he will never have even close to Usyk cardio, so it wasn't mental, it was physical and that he just can't go swinging with hard combos all in full power punches for more than 2 rounds before gasing. No one can do that. And he actually still throw punches in 10,11 and 12, just can't keep with Usyk, who throws insane amount of punches per round/fight.


    Garcia is full of ***** and AJ need to throw him asap.
     
  4. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post man especially regarding this part "AJ has all the skills in the book, he just need to understand how exactly to goes through the motion, when to step up his game, how to recover better".
     
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  5. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have a suspicion that AJ has needs a bit of an echo chamber - IMO it's the only reasonable explanation that seasoned trainers like McCracken and Garcia would tell him during a fight he is clearly shipping rounds that he is up and doing well (or Brilliant!). It just doesn't make sense.

    I think that Joshua is a confidence fighter and at anypoint if negativity is brought in - even hard truths - it's detrimental to his performance and psyche.

    It wouldn't surprise me if trainers have tried to do these kind of hard truths in camp but have fallen foul of tantrums / diva-like behaviour. I think Wilder & Joshua are more similar than either would care to admit!
     
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  6. OneShot

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    Honestly, AJ is legit. 2 x HW champ of the world, going in with guys 99% of us wouldn't go near. But somehow, Usyk is a couple of levels above that, especially mentally. There is a reason there are so few people in the world and in history at Usyks level. Incredible mental strength, composure and of course skill.

    Whilst it's a fair observation by Garcia, I think it just says more about Usyks toughness.
     
  7. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk started late as well
     
  8. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, I think this is a great era of HW boxing, geniunely.
    There is no heir to the throne worthy of being compared to Joshua, Usyk, Fury and Wilder.

    Jared Anderson looks the part, but othet than that... there's noone
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That shot was the 10th, right? He has certainly showed that he has a chin to go with those skills. Lots of bigger fighters would, and have, gone down from that counter right. Especially in the 10th of a high paced competitive fight.
     
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  10. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly, this is a HIGH KO counter punch, that caught Usyk on the front foot. Usyk chin is absolutely next level.
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A strange thing for Garcia to say officially about his fighter.

    I don't know what Joshua could have willed himself to do, but at the end of both these fights he looked to me like he had given it all. And whether he intentionally quit against Ruiz or just didn't know where he was, he had nothing left then either. Looking from the outside, I never felt that he didn't push himself enough in any of his defeats.
     
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  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So we can pretty much rule out that Fury stops him. And his engine isn't likely to fail him. At least if age doesn't suddenly catch up with him.

    So Fury must outbox him.
     
  13. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. AJ gave it all, Usyk was just better. But that way Garcia pretty much throw AJ under the bus and try to get out of the storm dry. Aka my training, my strategy, my plan, my tactic was alright, but he just doesn't have it mentally or so.

    But in reality Garcia put everything on the body punches and expected Usyk to be either KO by them or to be slowed down significantly, which actually didn't happen at all.

    Different fight, so who knows. And from that age, you can pretty much get old overnight to be fair. Also Usyk has around 400 fight, which is even more important. Because it's not just the fight, but also the prep for them as well.


    Still i hope we see the best version and the best man to win.
     
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  14. Thunderstorm

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    Garcia knows Joshua is a flawed design
     
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  15. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    Agreed, I think this rematch has confirmed that Usyk's chin is granite. That's a bad combination for his opponents, unbelievable skill + granite chin = hard to beat boxer.