Robert Helenius vs ancient heavyweight champions

Can we at least wait until he has 20 fights, or is somewhat of a complete work?

We don't know how good he can become or if his spectacular KO's were the result of great timing in the scheduling of his fights, if the Chisora affair suggests he has reached his ceiling or if it will be a learning moment...

 

Dempsey TKO 3 Helenius
Johnson would beat Helenius by decision.....

without a good amount of footage is too hard to say something about the others.......

 

No one ****s with Dempsey.

 

Helenius is probably better than anyone Dempsey beat at HW

 

Co-sign

 

Max Schmeling tortures him for 8 rounds before stopping him.

 

Passatsch

 

Helenuis should shave his head again...he was faster bald.

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Max Schmelling wouldn't torture Michael Sims or Ismail Abdoul . He might only get a close decision over them .

 

A fighter who plods with their hands down (as so many of the old time greats did) will end up knocked out cold. Someone who can box smartly and keep moving while attacking in spurts should have success, or a swarmer who stays in his face constantly preventing him being given time to set up can beat him.

I believe most of the fighters on that list would be KTFO though. That old fashioned style of blocking with the face while standing right in front of the opponent will not work against any fighter with Helenius' power. I don't think it's unlikely that all of these fighters lose to him

 

By modern standards Helenius is moderately skilled, doesn't have a high punch out put, and somewhat easy to hit. He does not seem to adjust quickly in the ring either. I agree with you, at this point in his career, Helenius who has been moved very quickly has reached his ceiling in terms of skills. He can improve his stamina a bit, but outside of that what you see is what you are going to get.


However he seems durable, has very good power, and because he's a durable puncher, the longer the fight, perhaps the better for him. I would pick him to beat at least 3 fighters on the poll.

 

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True it sure looks better than the thin and oily string that was flapping around every time he got hit in his last few fights

 

A very fair analysis.

Helenius lacks skills or a good boxing brain but is big, durable, and hits hard. That's all you ever needed in the HW division to be a force..may not be a Champion or all tiem great, but many fighters have foudn success with those qualities.