Robert Helenius vs. Floyd Patterson/Ingemar Johansson

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I agree with Malibua.

 

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Robbery Helenius couldn't carry this mans jockstrap. He'd get knocked out brutally. Where Chisora tickled him, Patterson would absolutely annihilate him.

 

Pattaersson/Johansson era is possibly the worst era in heavyweight boxing- :yep

 

Patterson was physically out of his leauge against Liston who for his time was a physical specimin, but only stood 6 foot and 210 pounds. Liston only started boxing at about age 20 its not that he was to good for Patterson it was that he was to big.

 

Liston wasn't just big, he was special.

Pete Radamacher was 6'1½ at 200lbs (now Helenius huggers will come in and say he wasn't special or w/e.. but the man took olympic gold, what did Robert do? right..). And Patterson knocked him out.

Sure, it was his first pro fight, he hadn't earned his title shot, I won't argue with that.

Another fight, against Powell.

"Former heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson knocked out Charley Powell of San Diego at 1:21 of the 6th round Saturday night in a scheduled 10 round fight. Patterson knocked out Powell with a flurry of hard lefts and rights as the climax to a fight which the ex-heavyweight champ fought in textbook style against the towering ex-professional football player. Patterson started Powell's downfall when he sent the Californian to the canvas for a count of nine in the 6th round and then dropped his opponent flat on his back in the middle of the ring with a series of combinations for the kayo." -United Press International

 

Yeah no doubt Liston was special but so was Patterson the difference was Liston was to big and to strong for Patterson. Helenius is not as special of a boxer but he makes Liston look like a midget.

 

What about Ingemar, would Robbe walk him down like the "undersized *****" he is?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=13623&cat=boxer

Also boxed circles around Ed Sanders, in a fight where he got disqualified for his pugilistic expertise. Unfortunately, applying sweet science in those days weren't greatly looked upon.

These "undersized bitches" sure seems capable.

 

Patterson would have a height advantage over Helenius. Simply being the taller man isn't always beneficial, as fighters like Marciano, Frazier and Tyson proved. When they fought bigger guys, they made sure that it was their shorter stature which was more important than their opponents height. Ali, the best heavyweight of all time, had maybe 5" on Frazier and yet in their first fight, it was Frazier who had the height advantage.

Patterson's crouch would completely negate and frustrate Helenius. When a fighter has to punch down all the time, it takes away their form, accuracy and power. Patterson would already be smaller and by crouching against a stiff, vertical Helenius, he'd make it into even more of an advantage.

As for weight, who cares? Helenius is probably 220lbs if he was in good shape. Patterson was around 190lbs. That's a fairly big difference but nothing that would be decisive. There's a bigger difference in talent than there is size.

People get far too hung up on how big a fighter is. If boxing was that simple, it wouldn't be a fun sport. The boxing skills and intangibles are what decide fights, not size, and Patterson has far more advantages than Helenius does.

 

Awesome post Jack. :good

 

I suppose Helenius has a tiny puncher's chance against both of them as he is a pretty solid puncher, but it took him a while, after getting outworked by Peter and Liakhovich, to score the stoppages. And Chisora, the most skilled fighter and live body he's ever faced, whitewashed him on any reasonable scorecard.

The gulf in class between those fighters as compared to Patterson and Johansson is big. Helenius wouldn't be able to get his best shots in and would find himself getting hit 3 times before he could react. He's too slow, unskilled, and lumbering and wouldn't have a clue how to deal with a fighter who isn't straight-up, basic, and wide open. They'd stop him.

 

Cheers, mate :good

I agree with what you said earlier in the thread too, especially the point about Rademacher. I expect it'll be dismissed though.

 

So you really think you have move power punching up then down?

I will have to remember that next time I have to split some fire wood. I will have to devise a system so I can swing up at the blocks as I will have much more power and accuracy that way.