Roberto Duran. Overrated or what?!

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  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    oh ****, i'm sorry i didn't realize you were new to the fight game. welcome to boxing :hi: roberto duran was a lightweight BEFORE he was a welterweight. lightweight is 135 pounds. he had a few fights there you might want to check out to. hope this helps
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    You actually would have a valid point if you didnt look like such a dick all the time with glaring inaccuracies and displaying your obvious lack of knowledge about all things Duran.

    Duran lost one fight at welterweight.

    He also beat moderately placed contenders in Monroe Brooks and Zef "Speedy" Gonzales...And most importantly he beat a very good fighter in his prime in the recently dethroned Palomino.

    And that ONE fight happens to be against one of the greatest fighters in history by the way.

    All the people coming in this thread claiming Duran is overrated have again come up with a big fat FAIL..its the same old **** that can get outargued by even the simplest of boxing fans.
    You are simply basing that whole opinion on the ramblings of a minority of Duran fans who put him up on a pedestal as the heads and shoulders the greatest fighter ever...Most people dont think he is and thats really the end of it..He is rated accordingly, anyone who has seen enough of his fights can clearly see he is one of the best fighters to ever lace them up..Anyone who truly analyzes his record can clearly see he has a very solid resume worthy of praise not rubbishing by dumb shits who think boxing was invented in 1990.
     
  3. Jorodz

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    :goodhe has to be in the top 10 all time. that's fair. i'm a nuthugger or whatever stupid term we're using this week so i have him rated at 3. not objective but i'm a HUGE fan and i'm keeping him there.
     
  4. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. Everyone is comparing him to the welterweights of his day, and holding up his victory over SRL as some kind of Holy Grail, Best Victory In The History of Boxing proof that he's the ZOMG GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME!!!!

    Hearns KTFO like a beeyotch. Benitez handled him. SRL made him quit. If not for the first fight we wouldn't even be talking about him like he deserved to be mentioned alongside those guys. You wanna use the SRL fight as some kind of measuring stick of his greatness? Then you're stuck with the Benitez and Hearns fight too.
     
  5. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against about 50 guys with 0-0-1 records. YOU might want to check it out. Then compare that resume with the TRUE greats at lightweight. THEN post.
     
  6. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nuthugger says what?
     
  7. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

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    :lol:

    How do you rank Duran p4p all time then?
     
  8. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His record at Lightweight includes victories over...

    Ernesto Marcel (who would reign at featherweight)
    Hiroshi Kobayashi (jr, lightweight champion)
    Estaban DeJesus (x2)(consensus Top 20 all time lightweight)
    Ken Buchanan (once defeated when he met Duran, consensus Top 20 lightweight)
    Vilomar Fernandez (legit contender, coming off a victory over Arguello)
    Guts Ishimatsu (titleholder at lightweight)

    Throw in victories over the likes of Edwin Viruet, Ray Lamkin, Hector Thompson, Saoul Mamby a couple of pounds over the weight, and you've got a hell of a resume at lightweight, alone.

    Please Try Again.
     
  9. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    och not this thread again

    its a troll thread

    and its baited in over 400 responses

    thats some damn effective trolling :D
     
  10. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WOW:lol:This thread STILL got legs:patsch
     
  11. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    :blurpi'll be the first to admit i have him too high. BUT top 10 is fair. overrating him is the same as undervaluing him and if you've watched his lightweight fights, don't just look at the bloody records of his opponents BUT WATCH HIM FIGHT. Duran is one of those amazing fighters that needs to be seen to be believed, his skills on display are what makes him that good.

    At 147 he was past it. Yet he still managed to rack up some great wins and put on some wonderful performances. Yeah, he lost to some guys at those weights and there are no excuses for that. Hagler, Hearns, Benetiz all beat him for one reason or another.

    But at the end of the day if you watch him fight and watch hearns fight, you'll see two different fighters with vastly different skills. Duran had everything in abundance: he was the most complete post-Robinson fighter ever. If he had stuck at lightweight he'd have a 125-2 record or something; if he'd stuck at welter he'd have a far better record than he has now. But he was Duran and he chased the challenges, no matter how big. His skills in action are what make him so great, that's what you need to watch.

    BUt yes, I'm a big nuthugger and i'll admit it so no i'm not the most objective either :silly
     
  12. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    A Chavez nutthugger criticizing Duran for fighting cab drivers :patsch:patsch
     
  13. Jorodz

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    :yep:yep:yep
     
  14. Beatle

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    You are basically saying that when Duran won, it was because his opponent gave a bad performance. You forgot to mention that when Duran fought Hagler, Hearns, and the 3rd against Leonard, he was past his prime and above his best weight. If Duran's opponent looks like he's having a bad night, you should consider the possibility that Duran is the cause of that.
     
  15. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Theree is no questioning Durans greatness face it the guy was awesome