Roberto Duran vs Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Castillo and Floyd at 135

I am just saying what I believe. He had trouble with fast elite guys and that is fact. To say he would beat Pernell and Floyd easily, is not looking at his record. People can say what they want, my opinion is he did not fight elites at 135 which would demonstrate a win over Pernell or Floyd.

 

He had trouble with fast elite guys 2 and 2+ weight divisions above his peak division. That too is a fact.

 

well since he did not fight any elites at lightweight, the only elites we can measure him against he lost easily to.. Benitez, Leonard,Hearns.

 

Losing to "elites" well above his own best weight does not mean that "style" of elite beats him at 135, but that really shouldn't need be said.

The fact is he beat one of those elites, one well known for lightning speed and class. If he can win a fight like this all the way up at 147 then the skies the limit at 135

 

well above? No. not when he fought at 154 as early as 1978, before Hearns, Leonard and Benitez ever fought there. I don't think you guys on here know Duran's history or what is well above to a guy who can go up to over 200 pounds. The excuses of him are pretty big.. He beat one of those elites when that guy fought his fight, and then lost easily in the rematch, and rubber match. and lost easily to Benitez, who was a 140 pounds and also smaller.. Elite wins are important. Pernell would not fight his fight and neither would Floyd. I think Duran loses to both.. Stylewise not good for him. He does not have the elite wins.

 

It doesn't matter if he fought there before you nitwit, he had already been fighting a almost decade as a pro before they had their first pro bout. That has to be one of the worst arguments I've seen on this site. Duran had been a pro for a decade already before moving up to face MEN WHO WERE SQUARELY IN THEIR PRIME, WHILE HE WAS PAST HIS PRIME. How is this not registering with you?

 

nitwit, when someone is losing an argument they resort to name calling. What a fool. You really think that makes you win arguments. Who cares if he was fighting a decade, he fought no one close to elite at lightweight. No one.. And when he fought elites regardless of what weight, he lost. Easily.. And you are telling me he would just easily beat Pernell and Floyd because at 135 he proved he could, without fighting anyone elite there. I think you should brush up on your boxing knowledge or logic.

 

past his prime? in 1980? No, he was 28 when he fought Ray and 30 or near that when he fought Benitez and Hearns,, at 154, where he fought since 1978 like I said before. Prior to those guys fighting there. And he fought until 2001 at 50... manos de excusas is what I call him. No excuse is big enough. Somehow he didn't train for the elite guys, but then he trained for lesser guys.

 

I don't think Duran would have an easy time with Mayweather or Whitaker. Those guys are exceptional fighters. It would be interesting to see how Mayweather`s shoulder roll would work against Duran`s uncommonly quick right hand lead. Floyd really wasn't as much of a mover as some fans make him out to be. He could move but he would also expending more energy than he normally likes to. Duran probably bangs Floyd to the body and applies relentless pressure. He cut the ring very well in his lightweight days at `135. Both fighters are gonna miss a lot because their exceptional defensively.

 

He was at least 32 or 33 when he faced Tommy Hearns at `154. Probaby 31 or 32 against Benitez.

 

One thing you don't seem to see is that Duran lost a lot of speed as he moved up in weight. He was very quick at `135 quick hands but also quick with his footwork moving in and cutting the ring. As he moved up he being only 5-7 sacrificed a lot of size to naturally bigger athletes. He still was a very good Welterweight as he showed beating Sugar Ray Leonard. One thing Duran lost as he got into the heavier divisions was the non stop attack, high volume, perpetual motion that he was known for as one of the greatest lightweight champions of all time. He became more of a plodder, counterpuncher. There he showed his tremendous ring IQ because he had too. If you came at him like Barkley or Moore that was usually a playing into his hands. It`s really just common sense. Yes he could be out boxed at the higher weight a lot easier than when he was a Tiger in the Lightweight division.

 

Incredible that you could possibly think you are winning.

 

I am using facts . You think some guy calling me a nitwit wins an argument? You must be a fan of Donald Trump. This is about using real facts and saying the truth, which I have. To sum it up. Duran does not have wins over elite fighters to make it clear he would beat Pernell and Floyd. What backs it up? Beating Dejesus and Buchanan? No way. Different quality fighters. That small difference makes a guy defensive and they have that edge in speed, which is significant.

 

quick is a comparison to opposition. Hearns was still faster than Hill at 175 and he was 11 years from his first title 30 years before. He didn't say he was not fast anymore making excuses, he won the fight. And you guys do not realize Duran fought at 154 as early as 1978.

 

30 when he fought Benitez and 32 when he fought Hearns. And he fought until 2000.. Duran gets too many excuses. A great fighter when he had the good style in front of him, but not a guy who found ways to win. He won if the guy fought the style which was in his range. I am surprised people do not really see the truth when it comes to Duran. His loses to the elites are significant.