Roberto Duran vs Floyd Mayweather's opponents- does he reach 49-0?

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    See these are clearly troll posts. All you have to do is watch a couple of fights to know that Hearns would outbox Floyd. Floyd is not more skilled and far more intelligent than Hearns, which is why he would be a plausible fighter to beat SRR. When someone mentioned Mayweather they were laughed off the thread. Floyd might be better on a p4p basis but not against each other.
     
  2. kingfisher3

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    i think mayweather probably is more intellegent and skilled than hearns, but he's so physically outmatched that the fight could easily be uncompetitive, and i can't really see a way for floyd to win rounds consistently.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

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    This is comical. Nobody likes getting hit but SRL traded more against Hearns than Floyd has against any fighter. Floyd's whole career is him trying to choose fighters who can't hit him.
     
  4. Vanboxingfan

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    Well on the flip side Buchanan was a great boxer and look what Duran did to him. Buchanan had recently beat another great boxer named Laguna, but I can't help but think these names mean nothing to you.
     
  5. Vanboxingfan

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    You still haven't given me Floyd's best five wins, so until you man up I'm done playing with the troll. As mentioned I've already said that Floyd's likely a top 20 fighter, which is more than many on this site will give him, but unless I have him beating SRR apparently, I'm knocking the guy. I'm getting quite bored of this and too busy to continue. If you think Floyd's better than Duran post thread in general and classic and see how things unfold.

    As to how's more skilled between Floyd and Hearns I think it's somewhat debatable. Floyd has better defense but at the higher weights his offense is practically non existence. If a one armed over the hill Pac went the distance with him. I personally don't subscribe to the theory and the most skilled fighter is simply better at defense regardless of he offensive capabilities. Now the Floyd at 130 and even in early days at 147 had both, but that fighters long gone.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Hearns would stretcher Floyd without a doubt
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

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    The problem with your argument is that it's pretty easy to look skilled against the likes of Gatti who Floyd himself called a C+ fighter. Most of Floyd's comp above jr welter would fit into that category. I mean Baldomir beat Judah who was smoked in the second round by TZ.

    I enjoyed his fight against the limited Hatton, and even Gatti, but don't call these guys elite fighters.

    Maybe in terms of elite fighters the best you got is an over the hill Oscar, which he struggled with and you have Hernandez, Corrales and Castillo, after that it's pretty slim pickings by anyone but a serious nut hugger like yourself.

    Hell a way past prime SSM almost starched Mayweather in the 2nd round, a prime SSM would most certainly have. And it's almost guaranteed that he would lose to a prime Oscar.

    So while that obviously impresses the living hell out of you, I'm less impressed. Hell he couldn't even put away a one armed Pac ffs. So yes I watch his fights until he bores me to death. But in some ways you're right, he had the talent to do a hell of a lot more offensively than he chose to do, and that's because at heart he's a chicken ****.
     
  8. BCS8

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    And Hearns would punch a hole through him.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    Whatever credibility you pretended to have is completely gone. So you're now giving Floyd credit for dragging JMM up from 135 for the first time in his career making him fight a championship fight at welterweight from a guy who never made the catchweight limit, and had every conceivable advantage possible.

    Yes, those are all time champion attributes all right. But only in your mind, not mine.

    That would be the equivalent of Duran dragging Rubén Olivares up from featherweight than beating the **** out of him at 135.

    You really don't know fvck all about what you're talking about. Anyway I'm finished with this topic.
     
  10. Big Ukrainian

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    Well to be honest Floyd's opposition at 130 wasn't great, too.

    Corrales was the best opponent. Hernandes was past it and never was close to p4p top-10 anyway. That's his 2 biggest names at 130, yet Floyd is viewed by many as the best at 130 ever.

    Floyd's best competition and biggest wins came at 147 and 154 (as strange as it sounds). Same with Duran, who scored best wins at higher weightclasses.

    As for Gatti the weakest opponent, maybe. But there were also Mitchell, Ortiz, Berto, Guerrero, Maidana - hardly a TOP-class fighters. Let's not pretend Floyd was always fighting against the best
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    Much like Floyd, you seemed to conveniently ignored this post because it doesn't play into your agenda now does it?
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

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    Whatever you say boss. guess it don't matter that I've been watching boxing since before you were born. but whatever.

    You really cherry pick what I say, and conveniently ignore what you don't like. I said Floyd's probably a top 20 fighter and he is a superb boxer, but he's not a superb fighter and they aren't the same. The real greats like SRL and yes Duran, and SRR, they can do both. But sadly this whole concept is beyond you.
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

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    **** how can you be on this site and NOT know everything about him. He's the topic of every second thread in general for the last 4-5 years.

    But believe what you want to believe.

    Like I said, he doesn't impress me the way he impresses you, because he's a safety first fighter who uses his economic clout to dictate when fights are going to take place, what gloves are going to be used, what blood tests are going to take place, and at what weight the fights are going to be held.

    Take away all that bull **** and yes the guy has a great defense, one of the best, great footwork, controls distance extremely well, and has very fast hands, and is good at setting traps, but his offense has mostly been sporadic over the last 5 years or so and he's extremely good at cherry picking his opponents.
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    Leonard had far more serious power than Floyd and he had killer instinct far greater he did everything that Floyd did only better. Duran of Montreal was a vicious puncher and excellent boxer that went to the body and head excellently, he also was a non-stop presence that came at you cursing and hitting. Duran punched the heart, kidneys,neck, elbows and in condition i would bet on him to stop Floyd. Hearns was a freak at 147 and Floyd did not have the power that Leonard had,nor the offensive viciousness that SRL showed in fight 1 with Hearns. I think Hearns gets the stop unless Floyd runs his Butt off
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

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    Kevin, Floyd himself said that he considers Duran the second best fighter ever, behind himself of course. Yet you simply continue to degrade his comp and his performances.

    Calling the first Duran - SRL as one of SRL's worse performance is an insult to both fighters.

    SRL himself said he went into that bout a boxer and came out of it a fighter. He at least gave himself huge props for going the distance and said after the fight, there was no way you could train to deal with that version of Duran, because there's no sparring partners who could duplicate his ferocity and he felt like he was getting hit with bricks.

    I actually think SRL is a hell of a fighter, I only rank Duran higher than him because of the number of fights Duran has had relative to SRL, and the fact that Duran, as he went up in weight, had no size advantage, no reach advantage, wasn't necessarily as strong as the bigger guys and was pretty much always older. For me overcoming those obstacles, or even trying to overcome them, means more to me than someone like Floyd fighting JMM where every conceivable advantage there is, was in Floyd's favour and then he boxes him to a one sided victory.

    But if SRL had about 15-20 more fights, and he won the vast majority of them against quality opponents, I would have no trouble saying he was the best fighter I've seen in my lifetime.