Roberto Duran vs. Guts Ishimatsu

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  1. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Here's one that doesn't get talked about much. IMO it's not a clearly worse performance than something like the Palomino fight, for instance, despite Ishimatsu fighting very negatively for the most part. Duran is lightning quick to the counter and closes the distance with combinations beautifully throughout. The defensive genius is on full display and he only takes two or three solid shots in the entire fight. It's also interesting to see Duran throwing lots of jabs if you're not clued up on him in his days at 135, though he uses it more as a distraction and to set up feints with the left hand. Puts to bed the myth of Duran being slow in any real way.

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTsqCFWxww[/ame]
     
    itrymariti, Aug 25, 2010
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  2. klompton

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    why was palomino a ad performance?? i thought duran did great in that fight.
     
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  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I agree with you.
     
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  4. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not only that,but Duran beat Carlos FAR more convincingly than Wilfred Benitez did(split decision victory in Benitez' native San Juan) in Carlos' fight just before Duran.
     
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  5. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duran respectivelly told Palamino to retire after their fight.."You don't have it anymore".
     
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  6. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes but why say IMO it's not a clearly worse performance than something like the Palomino fight. That was a great performance for me by Duran and makes me wonder if he could have dominated the welter scene as well as the lightweight scene in the mid 70's if he had gone for it.
     
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I thought Benitez won it fairly handily especially in the later rounds, and arguably beat a better Palomino.
     
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  8. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He probably meant it in the sense that the Palomino fight was one of Duran's better and more lauded performances, and that this one stacks up favorably to even it, despite the fact that it doesn't get as praised.
     
    El Bujia, Aug 25, 2010
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  9. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Although I'm not really sure who was perpetuating the myth that Duran was ever slow. He was quite fast for my money. Some of the best offensive and defensive reflexes of all time.
     
    El Bujia, Aug 25, 2010
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  10. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
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  11. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    You hear it implied - Duran struggled with speed, Duran couldn't deal with Leonard's speed, etc.
     
    itrymariti, Aug 25, 2010
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  12. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    mag1965.
     
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  13. Boxed Ears

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    :lol::lol:
     
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  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Duran looked great...very impressive vs Palomino..and put on, among other things, one of the greatest feinting displays on poor Carlos that I believe I've ever seen...Duran was fierce and intimidating at times to Palomino..very impressive.
     
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  15. teeto

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    The skill is all on display here, he's opening him up with jabs when he has to as well.
     
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