Roberto Duran vs. Leonard Tavarez (Paris, France)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Senor Pepe', Jun 15, 2012.


  1. Lord Tywin

    Lord Tywin Guest

    I cant wait to see it.

    In the meantime, once again, I dont need to read an article on the fight. I actually saw it.

    Post another one of your posts about somebody knocking out Ali when he was 15 or how Cuevas could not have been shown up in sparring by El Torito because no footage exists of it.
     
  2. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    That is correct,,,,,,,,,,

    No footage of Pipino Cuevas sparring with Tony Ayala Jr. exists.

    Not even a photograph, yet all of San Antonio was there to witness the
    sparring session.

    Not even one San Antonian had a camera.

    If you knew Tony Ayala Sr., just one bit, you would know that if a
    sparring session took place, every camera and film crew in Texas would have been there.

    Give Me a Break.

    For someone who saw a non-title bout between Roberto Duran and
    Leonard Tavarez, you sure seem to remember every exact detail of
    a bout that took place over 38 years ago.

    Nobody is that good.

    Who was the referee..??
     
  3. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    I like the Ali threads better, Pepe.
     
  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    This fight is not in my career set and I am unaware of it being on tape..though I haven't looked into that for a long time...and didn't give it much effort when I did.
     
  5. Lord Tywin

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    I said I saw Duran-Tavarez. I never said I hadnt seen it since 1974. My memory is so good of the fight because I watched it while I refuted your comments. Something you obviously havent done despite stating you have seen an "old tape" that you "stumbled upon".

    I dont know who the referee was, nor do I care. It means nothing to me. I dont know who the referee was for the Bradley-Pacqiauo fight either and Ive watched that twice in the last week.

    If you doubt that Ive seen the fight, or can watch it any time I want:

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    If you need me to point him out to you, the referee is the guy in the second picture with the white shirt and bowtie counting over Tavarez after he had been dominated and dropped by Duran at the end of the second round.

    The first picture is the opening credit of the fight with Duran at the top left, Tavarez at the bottom right, and the referee in the middle (I know the referee is important to you).

    The final picture is Leonard in the studio calling the fight for the television replay.

    Im still waiting on pictures from your copy of the fight...


    Simply because no film or pictures of Torito and Cuevas exist, or are known to exist, doesnt mean that never happened. That is a poor argument at best.

    You state that Tony Sr would have every camera in San Antonio there. Why? You act as if he knew Torito would do well in sparring. What if he had every camera there and Torito got knocked out in 2 seconds?

    You seem to be giving Torito an awful lot of respect and a backhanded compliment with your veiled attempt at boosting Cuevas' stock.
     
  6. Lord Tywin

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    Since you doubt I know what Im talking about why dont you describe some of Tavarez other fights that youve seen for us.

    Dont quote some old newspapers, or magazines. Actually describe the fight as you saw. In fact, describe Tavarez' style to me as you have seen him fight.

    Have you ever heard him speak? What did he sound like?

    Did you ever see him in real life? Did he speak French? If so did he speak with an accent? Was he intelligent? What was his demeanor and temperment?

    Or did you simply read a couple of dusty old magazines and fill in the blanks with your imagination?

    You have a flair for digging up old articles and then injecting your imagination in to them as if you were there but you werent and that has gotten painfully obvious the more you post. It is particularly galling when most of your posts are attacks on fighters disguised as attempts to bring to light long forgotten "facts."
     
  7. Senor Pepe'

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    Sir Lord,,,,,,,,,,

    You seem a bit truculent today.

    Take it easy,,,,,,,I'm just posting the newpaper and magazine accounts of the
    1974 Paris bout.

    Just what fighters am I attacking, on other threads.

    Just because we disagree on Pipino Cuevas sparring with Tony Ayala Jr.

    Nobody knows the date that it took place, or who was present.
     
  8. Philly-Tough

    Philly-Tough Active Member Full Member

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    Reading these kinds of posts really make me wanna see these fights :(
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    Yes,

    But the screen states World Championship Lightweight, which could be interpreted as
    a French Lightweight Championship bout.

    It could be an earlier bout in Leonard Tavarez career, with Jean Pierre Le Jaouen
    or Maurice Tavant, or later, versus Dominque Azzaro.
     
  10. Lord Tywin

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    It could be but you know better since youve seen footage of the fight, and know the referee right? I mean, if youve seen the fight why question it? But for people like yourself who havent actually seen the fight:
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    But if that was Tavarez against someone else why is that Duran fighting Tavarez on top, or next Duran in the corner I said he was in?

    Or next Duran acknowledging the crowd after winning? Or those same cornermen with Duran jerseys toweling off Duran?

    Or Duran carrying Tavarez around the ring with the same cornermen in the foreground?

    And how many cards did Tavarez, and Duran appear on with Billy Backus in Paris?

    Now, do you want to admit that Ive obviously seen the fight and you clearly havent? Or would you like to keep up the charade?
     
  11. Senor Pepe'

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    Lord Tywin,,,,,,

    Very nice photo's.

    The Referee, should be Georges Gondre.

    I'm wondering, if this bout was supposed to be a WBA Lightweight Championship
    bout, but
    a) was not sanctioned
    b) Roberto Duran could not make the 135 lbs. weight
    c) was Leonard Tavares ranked in the Top 10 by the WBA
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Klompton still a belligerent heavy handed ******* i see.