Roberto Duran Vs Mike Tyson: Who had more Heart?

Wrong. It was a 14 second 10 count, which incidently is the same length of time given to Douglas when he was knocked down.

 

I voted Duran as he fought longer & Tyson never went thru anything like Duran did in the 1st Leonard fight, that was 1 of the best ever fights & it always takes bags of heart to participate in those kind of fights.

Unlike some, I have no problem with the heart of Duran or Tyson, the guys were awesome in their prime & still brave enough to get in the ring with eroded skills which to me takes a hell of a lot of ****in courage, Durans heart is more proven than Mikes but both are ok IMO.

Now Im gonna read the rest of the posts, this should be fun.

 

Tyson. The beating the guy took from Douglas and then from Lewis proved beyond any doubt that he is not only tough as nails, but has a huge heart as well.

 

Duran was 29 when he quit against Leonard. He had a lot of fights on his resume, but wasn't old. He had probably the best performance of his career just 5 months earlier, and other good performances afterwards. He was just lazy and didn't take care of himself between fights like he should have.

One of his cornermen made up the excuse of stomach cramps, but the prevailing belief is that Duran was just extremely frustrated and mentally beat. He wasn't in the best of shape and was losing (although not that badly).

 

I can't believe that someone has the nerve to compare a warrior like Duran to a mental midget like Mike Tyson.

People forget the reason why Duran quit was because his opponent didn't want to fight.

Tyson quit everytime someone stood up to him and showed up to fight.

There's no comparison here!!

 

Why do people say this oversimplistic nonsense about Tyson? Tyson didn't quit against Douglas, he got the crap beaten out of him and instinctively still wanted to fight, half-conscious and searching for his mouthpiece. He went out like a fighter against Holyfield the first time too, and other fighters like Ruddock, Tubbs, Botha, Bruno (1st fight), and Berbick "stood up" to Tyson and lost.

Duran's quit job was a disgrace. So Leonard fought a smart fight and used his movement this time and put in some mental warfare and taunting (which Duran knew about)?? That means he didn't want to fight??

Duran had no problem going on with taunters/dancers like Viruet. Duran quit because he was losing, frustrated, and undertrained.

 

Dude, when was the last time you watched that fight...Leonard was disgraceful!! He obviously didn't want to fight and was making a mockery of that fight. That's why he gave up. Leonard looked like a fool and was not far ahead on any of the scorecards. I think on all the judges scorecards Leonard was up 4 rounds to three...the verdict was still out on that fight!!

As for Tyson...he was and is a mental midget. When the going got tough, he folded miserably. He makes Golata seem normal!! Anyone who resorts to biting off another opponent's ear doesn't deserve to be compared to an ATG like Duran.

I can't believe someone has elected to defend an animal like Tyson!!

 

Then you should something about it! You cut off the ring and punish him. If Leonard was doing nothing and didn't want to fight, then you let the cards punish him for it. If he's just running and clowning and not fighting, he isn't gonna win the fight. Most of the taunting was in the 6th and 7th rounds.

But you don't quit in the middle of it. That's disgraceful.

It's not a matter of defending Tyson's disgraceful act like biting Holyfield. I've always said that was terrible.

It's a matter of people oversimplifying stuff by saying "Tyson quit whenever someone stood up to him".

Numerous guys "stood up" to Tyson and Tyson beat them. Or took his beating like a man.

 

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the vicious act of Tyson negates anything good he ever did in the ring. He is a mentally disturbed person and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as "hands of stone"!!

Duran made a mistake...have you ever heard him talk about that fight in retrospect? He makes a very rational and viable explanation for himself. And like i stated earlier, if you watch the fight again, you fully understand his position. I love SRL, will always be a big fan of his, but it's obvious on that night, he didn't want to have anything to do with a tough guy like Duran!!

Unlike Tyson, there is no rationalizing the irrational!!

 

Duran has given different reasons for quitting, from what I've read and watched. There was the stomach cramps thing (which according to his bio, was an excuse made up by a cornerman). Duran said during the Legendary Nights doc that he was weakened from making weight and a doctor drained him or something. Then there's the huge meal he ate after making weight which apparently consisted of 3 steaks and a bunch of other stuff. Duran talked about being mad because Leonard didn't want to fight and was clowning too much.

Why blame Leonard for employing a game plan which bettered his chances to win? It wasn't pretty, but it wasn't all running and not fighting. Otherwise, he wouldn't have won 4-5 rounds on the cards. He obviously was doing his share of landing as well. Leonard in Montreal had a poor gameplan, and he lost.

Leonard did no more running and staying away than did Lou Bizzarro. The difference is that Leonard was doing it much better than Bizzarro, and taunted Duran. His taunting in rounds 6 and 7 apparently was good psychological warfare as it most likely infuriated Duran. Duran knew about mental warfare, hell he cursed at, spit at, and threatened Ray's sister and called Ray's wife a "puta".

As for Tyson, I don't care about rationalizing his bite-job. I never did, as I thought it was terrible (although I personally might not have blamed Rahman if he bit Holyfield). I'm talking about this oversimplification of his (lack of) heart that he quit whenever someone stood up to him. People often say this, but watch all his fights and you'll see him win some fighters where guys "stood up" to him, or at least go out like a champ, in addition to his quit jobs/mental breakdowns.

 

Starting buster douglas fight on, mike tyson had no heart....If he couldn't KO someone in 3 rounds, he gave up mentally.

 

You mean how he went 7 and 12 in victories against Ruddock, a year later?

 

If you think that I am oversimplifying mike tyson's lack of mental toughness in the ring, i strongly disagree!!

After the Douglas fight, who did he defeat worth mentioning? Every tough fighter he fought defeated him, mentally and physically. Including those "tough" fighters like Danny Williams and kevin McBride!! I know that those fights took place at the end of his career, but even Tyson admittedly states that his career truly ended after the Douglas fight. He had been exposed for the mental midget he truly is!!

 

That was a tough fighter? Who did he ever beat besides Bonecrusher Smith? He got trashed by Lewis and Morrison. There is no shame in that, but he never beat anyone worth mentioning. If that's the best Tyson had on his resume after Buster, that is really sad, and again, not worth mentioning in the same breath as Duran!!

 

If you say that Tyson wasn't very mentally strong, then that's fine. I won't disagree.

I'm talking about this myth that "Tyson quit to everyone that stood up to him".