Roberto Duran Vs Mike Tyson: Who had more Heart?

Mentally he did...he never searched for any answers to try and fight through adversity...give me one scenario where he fought through adversity and prevailed!! He might have not yelled out "no mas" during those fights, but as Teddy Atlas likes to say, "he made a silent agreement with himself"!!

 

Ruddock was a highly regarded contender at the time. He was physically gifted, but a damn stupid fighter. That's besides the point.

Ruddock's weak resume isn't even relevant to what I'm saying. I was responding to the earlier claim of Tyson "giving up mentally after 3 rounds" post-Douglas. Tyson's tough moments against Ruddock, a year after Tokyo, were after the 3rd. The 6th round in the first fight, and the mid-rounds in the rematch. But Tyson didn't mentally give up.

 

No...I think that is the point. If Tyson knew he couldn't get to someone mentally, he packed it in!!

 

Now you're switching it to "fighting through adversity". Tyson was terrible at that. He had crap adjustment skills and looked for a bomb whenever he was losing.

You keep changing it. I'm not even arguing against that claim that Tyson did well at fighting from behind.

I'm disagreeing with you previous claim that "Tyson quit against anyone who stood up to him". Not "Tyson was mentally strong" or "Tyson was good at fighting through adversity".

Quit changing the subject, because most of the stuff you change it to, I don't even really disagree with.

I mainly only have a problem with your original statement of Tyson always quitting against those who "stood up" to him.

 

Brother, it's the same thing!! If you quit on your stool or quit in your brain...to a fighter, what is the difference!! When I say that Tyson quit against anyone who stood up to him...I was speaking mentally as well as physically.

 

Because plenty of guys, IMO, "stood up" to Tyson. They just didn't have it physically and strategically to withstand what Tyson was giving back (his fists).

Trevor Berbick was too brave for his own good. He came right at Tyson and ended up stumbling around the ring like a drunk. He "stood up" to Tyson but ended up "wobbling up" to Tyson. Ruddock "stood up" to Tyson. He showed little fear. He just didn't have the tools to beat him. He was too stupid of a fighter, although he had plenty of guts. Botha "stood up" to Tyson. He showed no fear or respect to Tyson. But he made a mistake of getting careless and the fight ended. Tubbs didn't seem scared. He "stood up" to Tyson and fought well on the inside. He arguably won round 1 with his inside work and quick hands. But he didn't have the ability to take the right uppercut and left hook and was done by the end of 2.

Now other guys, Douglas and Holyfield for instance, had it mentally, physically, and strategically when they fought Tyson. They showed no fear and "stood up" to Tyson. But not only that, they fought well and know how to strategically beat Tyson. Push him around, jab him, uppercut him, smother him up close, etc..

 

Dude, we're going in circles...see posts # 58 and # 59

 

Well, apparently you and I disagree with what "standing up" to someone is.

 

agree to disagree...I am fine with that

Good discussing this with you...lets do it again sometime!!

:good

 

its hard to know.althoug both have done some shitty things in the ring but both had tremendous heart.

 

for me both showed they had huge hearts on countless occassions.

The difference between them is boxing pride. Duran always had it, and this didn't change over the years as he became a multiple title holder, multi-millionaire etc. Tyson clearly had it in spades in his early years, but lost it as he got richer, and fell out of love with boxing and into the celebrity lifestyle. For one of the greatest heavyweights ever, Tyson is a weak man in other respects and this ultimately finished what should have been a career on a parallel with the ATG's.

 

Dont confused Tyson lack of brains with having a heart

 

Duran. No contest.