Roberto Duran vs Ray Robinson

Does Duran beat Gavilan at 147? How about Lamotta?
I think Ray beats Leonard at welter ,and I would pick Leonard to beat Duran, 5 out of 7.

 

If LaMotta were to cut off the arm necessary to make 147 then yes, I'd take Duran without question over him. Duran vs Gavilan would be a bout for the ages, but this comes down to styles making matchups. Often times it was the swarming, mauling, crowding types that gave Robinson the most trouble. This is true from his early days as a Lightweight until his days as a Middleweight. There were none better at this than Duran.

If you'd take Leonard to beat Duran more often than not you're entitled to that belief. The way I see it, when both fought at their best Duran proved his superiority.

 

Robinson is a step above Ray Leonard in my opinion, so I have him beating even the best Duran. He was a harder hitter, he took a better punch, he was about as fast and more experienced in dealing with pressure.

I don't think any welterweight ever had much success trading blows with Robinson. It took a middleweight who could take his punches, hurt him and overwhelm him with strength to truly trouble him in a "brawl".

 

Duran would give Robinson hell, there's no question about that. He'd be bringing very fast pressure, a hectic pace, and tremendous defensive skills to ensure he's not getting whacked with the really big shots and enough pop of his own to earn Robby's respect. He's also got the edge on the inside, and he'll be able to get the fight there plenty of times. On his best night Duran gives any Welterweight hell and only the absolute best beats him. Fortunately for Robinson, he is the absolute best.

Ray takes a hard-fought, competitive, and clear decision.

 

You're assuming he didn't carry any, when we know SRR was paid to carry many to guarantee the book

 

Exactly:yep , Clear & conclusive to all but the blind, Duran would always best Leonard on a clear & level playing field.

Much as Leonard would always beat Hagler once Marvin had slowed down enough for Leonard to re-emerge AGAIN 5 years after the world expected Leonard to step up to the challenge he said he'd always wanted & when presented with said opportunity when both were at their respective peaks he declined said opportunity once reality had sunk in that he was going to get a worse thrashing than the one Duran handed him in Montreal & that would have been the final nail in the SRL $$$$ bandwagon.

SRL had to be shotgunned into fighting Hearns & he was'nt at all confident he'd win that so he went after a 154 belt as insurance.

SRR/Duran at 147 is an incredible match-up & i'd go for 6-4 in favour of SRR on points over 10 fights & at 160 i see SRR overwhelming Duran to win by large points margins. SRR wins 10/10.

 

You think a young Robinson was being payed money right out of the gate to carry opponents like Angott and Zivic?

 

My point is Ray beat Jake at 148.5 to his 158lbs ,145 to 1603/4lbs,and 145 to 1573/4lbs so in ,or almost at welter limit he beat a middle weight Lamotta 3 times,Could Duran?
No one swarmed or crowded more than Jake ,how many did he win against Ray?

Leonard was not at his best in Montreal ,he fought the wrong fight , brawling with Duran is not a good idea if you are Leonard.

 

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Because I think it's false when people claim that Duran's biggest trouble were boxers who ran from him. It pissed him off yes, but if you watch how the loss which came at his most best, from Dejesus then you'll see that what he did was boxed brilliantly using footwork in mid ring to counter and create room for hard shots and proper combinations, not by using excessive movement. You look at what Dejesus did and it has Robinson written all over it, but Robinson multiplies that by 1,000,000. And to Buja we can say 'oh he didn't do this to so and so' but we can do that for every single fantasy match up, which would get silly. Robinson for me definitely, and yeah Duran is one of the best weltwerweights ever, no qualms about that here. Robinson for me. Also, if you look at how Duran uses his right hand from distance to initiate things (one of the best weapons of all time) you just have to understand that the way Robinson initiates things in a non telegraphed manner is just ridiculous, he doesn't set things up with a jab and let things develop before he unleashes his full arsenal the way Leonard did, he just unleashes his arsenal anyway, with no developments in the chess match, At least he did do that whenever it seemed he wanted to. I do give weight to the fact that Duran does posess the style which is actually the only one that seemed to be able to best Robinson, but I just feel that on the night, two legends bringing their A-game, which is what this would definitely be, I have Robinson. Duran is my favourite fighter of all time of course.

 

but yes, this

 

In most cases, yes, but when there's a clear pattern I don't see how it can be dismissed so readily. Not saying I'd favour Duran outright or anything, in fact if forced to go one way or the other I'd take Robinson just to be safe. However, if the odds were good enough, I'd throw down some money on Duran.

 

ROBINSON by a knockout, likely a rapid fire combination,but one left hook maybe.

 

Speak of the devil. I guess your user name here is the same as on Facebook.

 

I dunno where u got these guys troubling Robbie other than Basora, a monster middle vs welterweight Ray and he got his in the rematch.