Roberto Duran was Alexis arguello 135 1978

I dont see why not. Kenny was tough as nails and he proved it that night. Matter of fact Buchanon`s style would present some major obstacles for Arguello. His boxing smarts, mobility along with his skillset.

Arguello might not beat Buchanon. He might but I doubt he dominates him the way Roberto Duran did.

We can all agree that a young somewhat still raw Roberto Duran came to New York and dominated a fine fighter in Kenny Buchanon. Had Duran been a little more polished as he was later Kenny would probably been finished sooner.

 

Whom I actually voted for in this poll between the two A.T.G.'s and who I actually would've rooted for with my heart on the collar of my sleeve are two different things.

Alexis Arguello is P.F.P. my all around Latino favorite of all time and Roberto Duran meanwhile is no doubt by a fairly close vote still P.F.P. the greatest World Lightweight Champion of all time and most other peoples vote as P.F.P. the greatest all around latino favorite. In an historical contest between the two I would've rooted my head off for Arguello but in the end, in all honesty, all I or anyone has to really do is look at Alexis' first fight with Aarron Pryor in 82' to pretty much sum up the conclusion to what happens to Arguello against Duran!

 

Pretty much my thoughts on this fight as well. I think Duran's relentless pressure would be too much for Arguello. But there's absolutely no shame in losing a hard fought fight to Duran.

 

I think Buchanan beats Arguello, actually.

 

Yeah I don't think that Arguello is a good comparison to Hearns.

 

I am surprised at the poll result. I think people think because Pryor - a pressure fighter - beat Arguello twice at 140, Duran would do the same at 135.
I think Arguello had deadly power til 130/135 pounds, furthermore Pryor and Duran are not the same kind of pressure fighters.
Arguello is one of the most technical fighters of all time with deadly power, good height and good reach. As far as I am concerned, on his best night, Arguello can beat any lightweight of any era.

 

Thank you,

I haven't looked at the poll but I can just about guess the result.

Arguello was at 140 when he fought Pryor, out of his prime weightclass and retired after the his second fight. Pryor was an absolute terror, and was the greatest 140'er ever. Yet Alexis gave him one of the greatest fights in boxing history. That first round alone should let you know of the caliber fight of Alexis.

135 is a different fighter. Duran simply has his hands full all night.

 

I don't understand. Arguello cannot beat Buchanan either? Why?

Duran was very raw. He was quickly dropped in the first round by Buchanan for being so wild. He took all of Duran's full fire power. I rank Buchanan's chin somewhere around Hagler's for this bout alone. At 126 Arguello was being overwelmed and outboxed by a greater Ruben Olivares....only to drop and put him down with one shot late in the fight. Olivares was one of the greatest puncher of all time, and for my money boxers as well. He was like Salvador Sanchez with blitzing KO power. Still, Alexis who was green in my mind still put the k-bosh on the fight and took his title the hard way. Alexis has a great chin, all-time great power. Seriously, against the best 135 Arguello, he will be fighting for his life.

Buchanan in with Alexis, and trading with him like he did with Duran???....I say Buchanan doesn't make it six rounds. Buchanan moving and boxing....loses a wide points loss or gets caught up to and KO'ed late. Either way, he is not getting past Alexis. Doesn'y matter if he dominates him or not.

Duran was not going to finish Buchanan polished if he could not finish him unloading round after round of heavy leather. He may have had to resort to charge and bang any way because Buchanan was going to dance no matter what verison of Duran shows up.

Enjoying the convo. Thanks.

 

I fail to see any comparison to Hearns at all and not even sure why that analogy was even mentioned.

I also dont' agree than Alexis left hand was the best he faced.. I think DeJesus had a better left hook as did SRL. So I don't agree there as well.

Alexis is just too slow for Duran and too rigid... his defense wasn't nearly good enough to keep duran away from landing huge shots.. You just don't take huge shots from Duran and stand up. Alexis would have his moments.. but at the end of the day.. he's be put down for count or ref stoppage.

 

I always like Duran over Alexis but not easy ... Still, Duran too fast and strong ..

 

Not saying he cant beat Buchanon. I think its a good competitive fight that could go either way.

Arguello is more of a stalker than Duran. Ken would have more time and room to operate and get his jab going. Against Duran who was faster of both hand and feet than Alexis, Buchanon had no chance to really box. Duran moved in so fast and on top of Ken every second of every round it seemed.

We saw how tough KB was. I dont see Arguello icing him in an easy manner if at all.

 

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Forget I mentioned the Hearns comparision if it suits you.

My mistake. I saw a taller, hard-hitting, all-time great boxer-puncher. Other than that, there is no comparision. I think other than the speed and chin Hearns and Arguello present similar stylistic match-up. Not exactly, but similar. Hearns was 6 inches taller than Duran and had about a 12 inch reach difference. Arguello had a 3 inch height difference and a 6 inch reach advantage. Like Hearns, Arguello fought tall. More comparision? I could rank the first round of Arguello-Pryor right up their with Hagler-Hearns except the fight lasted longer.

Alexis beat faster fighters before by KO. Most notable, Olivares at 126, Ray Mancini at 135. I don't think any is as slick as Duran but Duran himself was beaten and pushed hard in his prime at 135 by DeJesus. Although DeJesus was a solid fighter he was no where near the level of greatness of Arguello. Neither was Buchannan or anyone else that Duran fought at 135.

You think DeJesus had a better left hook Alexis because he dropped Duran twice with it. I think if Duran was hit cleanly by an Arguello left hook he would not get back up so quickly smiling. BTW, Arguello was a fantastic body puncher, always throwing in combination something that Duran did not have to deal with until he fought Leonard at welterweight.

Duran was faster than Arguello and had better defense and so I pick Duran to win. What I do not understand is this idea that if we pick a fighter to beat another fighter the fighter that loses never had a chance because he is no where in the league of the winning fighter. Duran is not KO'ing Arguello, does not hit harder, and Duran will be test severely and possible beaten a/o KO'ed if he is not on his very best game.

But, I all I keep reading is paraphasing "Duran is a beast, Arguello is lucky to beat any of his opponents, let alone go the distance with Duran."

That is just not true.

 

Well if that is what some are saying than I agree with you that it's just not true. I don't think ETM and myself are saying that. I AM saying and agreeing with ETM that Ken B. gives Alexis all he can handle and could certainly win. I also disagree with a notion that Alexis could stop Ken... ken was really just that tough and I don't see Alexis doing that.

I get why you made the comparison with Hearns and I see what you were thinking... Taller.. longer reach... solid right cross etc etc... My main issue with the comparison is that it was well above Duran's best weight and past his prime... Well past both imo.

No, I don't think DeJesus had a better left hook simply because he dropped Duran twice with it.. I think he had a better one, well, because he did. He threw it better than Alexis did and did so more often. He had more success with his left hook than Alexis did with the same punch imo. I also think SRL left hook was better than Alexis as well.

Anyways, I don't think we are too far off in our thoughts JLP.. you think Duran wins in a very tough close fight... I think Duran wins is not as close of a fight as you believe. Not a blow out by any means.. but I do think Duran either wins a comfortable decision... by say 4 rounds.. or stops him about the 10th. So really we aren't that far off in our thoughts.

 

Cool.

Thanks for that. If you look back at the first three post before my response you see exactly what triggered my astonishment. I have been defending Arguello against those points since. I maybe guilty of unfairly lumping other into those extreme oppinions. My appologies if I did that to you guys. The stuff we do not agree on is small.

Thanks again.