Roberto Duran Would've SCHOOLED Floyd Mayweather Jr. 9-3!

@Bogotazo - You won this thread about 6 pages ago, to continue at this point is sadistic. Realise that some people have a certain opinion because it is what they want to believe, what makes them happiest. Floyd was never officially defeated = Floyd cannot be defeated, Duran was defeated = Floyd would just do what W. Joppy did & win. You=

 

To say how Duran would fight against Mayweather also is guess work , everything is guess work.
All you guys said is Duran would to that , Duran would do this , we will never know , this fight is not gonna
happen.
Everybody has his opinion , i would never say that Mayweather would dominate him , because that would
not be the case.
But what is wrong with it , to think that Mayweather would win in a close fight ?
When Mayweather had underwhelming opposition , who had good opposition ?
Marquez, Cotto ,Canelo ,Pacquiao , Maidana , Corrales ,Mosley ,De la Hoya ,Hatton etc. underwhelming ?
I think not.
Everything you guys said about Roberto Duran is guess work like everything we said.
You can't analyze somebodys fighting style and take it for granted , that everything plays out exactly,
how you think its gonna be , it is no science.
It is a boxing match guys , Mayweather would win in my opinion , he is one of the greatest of all time in my
opinion , Duran is also one of the greatest of all time in my opinion.
I like both of them .
Nobody has won this thread , because the fight will never happen , so we will never know who is right or
wrong.
It is only guess work , but from both sides , not only from Mayweather fans.

 

No one is ducking **** you're a pbf hater proven by your horrible pbf never dared to be great thread. I made my points about Hatton in that pbf was setting him up as early as round 2. Hatton won 1 round at best in that fight he was schooled and beat up. So using the Hatton fight to try and illustrate a point is usless because he was dominated.

 

Nope. Augustus, Castillo, Cotto, Hatton, Maidana all backed Floyd up consistently. A few pages back I actually outlined how much time Floyd spent on the ropes or on the inside against Hatton and it ended up being most of the fight. Oscar probably had Floyd against the ropes the least amount of time, but if those 10 second intervals are frequent enough, they can result in lost rounds.

I already said Floyd could beat Duran in the rematch by avoiding pressure at all costs. But it's no guarantee.

Wow! Really?? That means nobody ever would beat him then!!! You've changed my mind completely!!!

Get real dude.

Maidana wasn't elite and got that much out of it, why couldn't Duran get more? Duran is on another tier to the likes of Castillo and Cotto and Hatton. They were elite in their divisions at the time, but Duran is an All Time Great. Different level.

DeJesus outboxed him after knocking him down with a left hook in the first round, then lost two fights after to Duran. Duran improved on his initial performance two times over. This was before Duran even moved up to welterweight.

Do you think Laing is a better fighter than Sugar Ray Leonard? I don't imagine you would. So clearly above welterweight, after almost 80 fights, Duran wasn't the same. I give Benitez credit for beating Duran, but he can't be compared to Brawl in Montreal Duran, which was probably the best performance ever shown in a boxing ring in terms of skill, stamina, versatility, and durability.

Castillo, actually. But even if you want to discount him, none, because this era is weak for inside fighters. Mayweather never faced a truly elite inside fighter aside from Castillo, who he beat in the rematch by avoiding the inside altogether. Duran is on another level.

Duran was 73-1 when he beat Ray Leonard. Considering the opponents he beat, far more impressive.

You must not talk boxing often. Not surprised.

 

I don't have a problem with someone picking Floyd. The problem is that those in this thread picking Floyd aren't using specifics and totally deflect from any criticism of Floyd. They just say "Duran lost", implying that therefore Floyd can automatically replicate it, despite the fact his two losses in his prime came from methods that don't apply to Floyd. "Floyd can adapt". "Floyd never lost." You can say that about him against Tyson for pete's sake. It doesn't make any sense when breaking down a match-up.

 

Robbie is one of the greatest fighters who ever lived, but if he was taking on the best version of FLoyd Mayweather, I don't think he'd beat him.

People can make mention of the first Castillo fight but since the guy did have an actual rotator cuff tear (something he had surgery for before his rematch with Castillo later in the year,) leading up into the fight, I think that fight can be chalked up to having a bad night in the office primarily due to an injury which hindered his first performance.

So that leads us to pretty much every other fight Floyd has been in during his prime- which was between 130-140 lbs and spanned approximately 10 years- and THAT version of him is a stylistic nightmare for ROberto. Aside from having a height and considerable reach advantage over ROberto, his overall defensive style and his constant movement in the ring would baffle Duran. Roberto is a helluva boxer- he's arguably the epitome of a boxer-puncher- but he liked guys that would bang and trade with him in the pocket whether on the ropes or in the middle of the ring. He didn't like guys moving around too much; elusive fighters with accurate counterpunching ability.

I look at his second fight with Leonard and if there's anyone in the world that could employ THAT style even more effectively than Sugar ray did, it would be Floyd Jr. ROberto was never hurt in the sequel, he was just frustrated and started getting toyed with around the 7th or 8th round (in a fight which was kind of competitive up to that point which made his "no mas" even that more baffling.)

He also lost clearly to Wilfred Benitez, another defensive oriented fighter with excellent counterpunching ability.

ROberto is a super ATG- top 10 P4P fighter in my opinion, but the best version of FLoyd Jr- which I'd say was around the time he was at 140 lbs, had accrued a good amount of pro experience and had seen many pro styles at that point- would beat Duran in a clearcut UD, 12 or 15 rounds. The best version of Mayweather Jr is better than Duran.

Even when you break down their overall attributes, the only clear advantage ROberto has in this match is his power. I don't see him holding any other advantage- from handspeed, footwork, defense, counterpunching, accuracy, ring generalship. I know this forum is a very polarizing place when it comes to FLoyd Jr, but if you look at the man when he was in his absolute prime and taking on literally anyone he could get his hands on, he was one of the most complete fighters in the history of the sport. Incredible blend of offense, defense and ring generalship. People are just turned off by how he fought the last 10 years of his career as a PPV fighter, they seemingly forget his offensive brilliance when he was actually square in his prime.

 

When , he can do it in a rematch , why shouldn't he do it the first time ?

I was saying that every fighter who backed him up still lost , not that nobody can beat him , you are twisting
my words constantly.

Mayweather was not in his prime anymore against Maidana and the other fighters who backed him up
other than Castillo , still lost very clear.

He had enough time to recover from the knockdown , you get not outboxed everytime , only because
you was knocked down in the first round.
Also the possibility is given , that Mayweather could knock him down.

Do you think Castillo , arguably the only fight he lost , is better than Pacquiao,Cotto,Canelo,JMM,De la Hoya etc. ?
I will never understand your logic , lmao.

So you think that Mayweather would fight against Duran exactly like he fought against Castillo ?

Not really , who did he beat at lightweight better than Pacquiao,Canelo,Cotto,JMM,De la Hoya ?

I made a joke don't take everything so serious.

All you guys is saying ,Duran had better Opposition , which is not true.
His era was better , which is true at welterweight , but not at lightweight , his lightweight era was not the best .

It is always the same , you are repeating yourself , in the hope that you convince someone that Duran would
win the fight.

But as i said , it is no science , you can't convince somebody , only because you make some points.

Either you must be hating Mayweather so much or you can't stand it , if People have another opinion than you.

Chill down man , you don't have to repeat yourself every day in this thread , i understand what you are trying to say .

Give it a break. I made a final statement yesterday , keep guessing and believing that Duran would smash your hate object Mayweather , if that makes you happy.

 

Because Floyd's default style is to retreat in straight lines setting up counters pretty flat-footed. His feet have to be set to punch and he doesn't really punch on the move. Look at Castillo 1 and Maidana 1. He fought how he usually fought, trying to time his opponent coming in without using a lot of movement. Same with the Cotto fight. Floyd being called a runner is pretty exaggerated. It's only in the rematches of those fights that Floyd avoided the inside at all costs with minimalist offense and a high level of movement. He's not beating Duran on the inside, and his default style welcomes duran into the inside.

Fair enough, those fighters just don't apply to Duran. Floyd is a great inside fighters but the rounds that he lost in his most competitive fights were on the inside.

I know they did, I don't think Duran would because he's far superior on the inside to anyone Floyd has fought.

True, but getting caught cold in the first round is often worse than in the middle of a fight. Regardless, Duran then overcame DeJesus twice.

Floyd hasn't knocked any natural welterweights so he's not knocking down the Duran that took flush shots form Leonard. That's just not happening.

No, but styles make fights, and Duran is even better at the style that most gives Floyd trouble.

He'd go into the fight with his default style, like he did against Augustus, Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Castillo, and Maidana.

I'm not saying his resume at lightweight is better than Floyd's entire resume. But a few of those wins are definitely better than Canelo and JMM.

Based on what exactly?

Ken Buchanan is a Hall of Famer.
De Jesus is a Hall of Famer.
Marcel at 130 gave Alexis Arguello his first loss.

That's at least equal to Corrales, Castillo, Hernandez. Not to mention Duran cleaned it out completely and reigned for 10 years undisputed.

This is a discussion forum, we're having a discussion, I'm using points to debate. If you don't want to discuss it that's fine, I just prefer people be specific in providing evidence when they make a claim.

 

Just for fun, some expert picks:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/3lomkh/what_are_roberto_duráns_greatest_fights_at/

Experts Contemplate: Duran vs. Mayweather at Lightweight

How would the great Roberto Duran fare against the skillful wizardry of Floyd Mayweather at 135 pounds? We posed this fantasy match to eight qualified insiders:

Jose Torres (Recently deceased Hall of Fame Light Heavyweight champ): “It’s very hard to make a comparison because I thought that Duran was the best fighter of his time. But I think Mayweather is a helluva fighter. He’s as good as the best of Duran in Duran’s time. So it’s very hard to choose. I would have to study the styles in order for me to have an accurate opinion on who would beat whom. It’s impossible now to imagine a winner. I would have to check like five or six fights from each and the styles. You see? Because they have different styles. But Duran was a very, very smart fighter. And that’s what I like for him.”

Iran Barkley (Former Middleweight, Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight champ): “Duran would have got to Mayweather. Because Duran is crafty. He knew how to get to lightweight guys. Not to take anything away from Floyd Mayweather, he’s a phenomenal fighter. But at that caliber of time Duran had speed and power. Floyd got the speed and some power but not as much power as Duran. (How was Duran’s power at 168?) Duran didn’t have power at 168 like he had at lightweight. He had power that I felt. I felt the hits. But they weren’t real crackers. You know what I’m sayin’? At lightweight he was unbelievable the power that he had. He was faster and speedier. He had power and speed. And he would’ve gave Mayweather a tough fight. (Beat Floyd?) I think Duran would…I know Duran would have won the fight. I know that. Mayweather – not to take anything away from him but Duran would have won.”

Carlos Ortiz (Hall of Fame Lightweight champ): “Tough fight. Mayweather is a good boxer. Duran is a rough, aggressive fighter. It would be tough. I would give the advantage a little bit to Mayweather because Mayweather is a better boxer than Duran. And Duran is a comer, he’s an aggressive fighter. He throws a lot of punches. He’s a strong puncher. But it all depends. If Mayweather gets hit, he gets knocked out. If he doesn’t get hit, he wins by decision.”

Don Elbaum (Veteran promoter): “I think Duran is one of the one, two, three greatest lightweights of all time. And Mayweather’s close. But Duran could do whatever – he’d break you in half, he was vicious, he was a killer, could box, could knock you dead. I mean, he could do everything. Duran – up to this point – is a bit better than Mayweather.”

Teddy Atlas (Trainer, author, TV commentator): “It’d be a heckuva fight. I think…Duran. Duran had close to 100 fights. Right now, because of what Duran accomplished – the largeness of that kind of body of work – I’ll go with Duran. If Mayweather decides to fight again, there’s still more we’re gonna find out about Mayweather. He’s terrific and there’s still some more things we may find out. But I know more right now in my life about Duran. And with that kind of knowledge, I’ll take Duran.”

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad (Former Light Heavyweight champ and world class trainer): “I would think that would be a helluva fight. You’ve got to realize that Duran was also a great boxer at lightweight. That one I couldn’t call. It’s just too hard. That would be the hardest fight for me to call. To me, Mayweather is the greatest boxer Duran would’ve ever fought, aside from maybe Sugar Ray Leonard. Duran would try to maul him inside to the body. Duran was also a great boxer too. That fight would be a little too hard to call.”

Angelo Dundee (Hall of Fame trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, among many others): “Oh gosh, Duran’s a living legend. And one of the best fighters today is Floyd Mayweather. That would be some fight. I tell you – it would be Floyd Mayweather’s toughest encounter. Duran against a guy with quick hands like Mayweather – he could nullify that. Duran offset quick hands through feints, head feints, foot feints and foot movements. He was a complete fighter. He had all that stuff going for him. Then he nails you. Then he bulls you too. Mayweather would be facing something he never faced before. You’re saying the fight would be at lightweight? I like Duran. Duran was slick, smart, body puncher, made you fall short with punches. At lightweight I would like Duran. He could get under your skin too. He could con you. He had ways to bother you. He was like Muhammad Ali in that way, but he couldn’t speak English. Duran was a real psyche artist.

“It’s tough. Mayweather always rises to the occasion. He impresses the hell out of me. I knew Duran from the inception – he trained at the Fifth Street Gym (Miami). I watched him all the time. A guy I trained, Duran was working with him – Vinnie Curto. A lightweight hurting a middleweight. There was no smarter, cuter fighter than Vinnie Curto. The only thing that bothered Duran was a long, left jab. And Mayweather doesn’t have that. Certain guys give certain guys problems. We haven’t seen what gives Mayweather problems. Are we talking 15 rounds? I like Duran. I like Duran. You’re talking about Mayweather going 15 rounds. Duran was pressure, pressure. He was strong. He could punch. God, he was a great lightweight. He takes advantage of every little thing. And he did it smooth, with grace. Everything was slick and smart. I like Duran.”

Harold Lederman (World-renowned boxing judge): “Duran in his prime vs. Mayweather in his prime…without question, I think it would be no contest. I did see Roberto Duran in his prime. I was in Madison Square Garden the first time he came in he fought Benny Huertas in that incredible one round fight. When he knocked out Benny Huertas. But they went toe-to-toe for the better part of one round. And at the that time Duran made such a big hit that they brought him back after. And I was the judge in that first fight that Roberto Duran ever lost to Esteban DeJesus in Madison Square Garden, where Duran walked into a left hook in the second round and he was sitting on the canvas looking up at DeJesus. And DeJesus just cruised to a ten-round decision. They fought two times after that for the Lightweight championship and Duran won both of them.

“But interestingly enough, Roberto Duran was an aggressive, very, very quick, very, very well trained, very well conditioned fighter. And when you look at Floyd Mayweather’s career, he did have trouble with a big Jose Luis Castillo at lightweight. And I think that, without question, I just don’t think that Mayweather, as good as he is, and he’s a very, very talented fighter, can hold off Duran. I mean, Duran was extremely aggressive. Hit very, very hard. Just an awful guy to beat. I mean, you had to be very, very strong and have a heckuva punch to hold him off. And Mayweather, although he has a good jab, has hand problems. I don’t think he can hit Duran hard enough, jab him hard enough without breaking his hands. And boy, when Mayweather hurts his hands you just know it. Because he starts going straight backwards, like he did with Famoso Hernandez and Victoriano Sosa.

“But with Duran, you had to have a heckuva punch or a heckuva great left jab to keep him off of you. Duran would have hammered him to the body. Eventually probably stopped him in eight or nine rounds.”

 

Yeah , but we are talking about the best possible Mayweather and the best possible Mayweather would
know that Duran is a dangerous inside fighter , therefore he would fight against him like he did in the rematches
with Castillo and Maidana.

I agree with you.

I agree with you , therefore i said it's gonna be Close.

Theoretically it could be happening , but even if it doesn't happening , which is more likely , he doesn't need
a knockdown to outbox Roberto Duran.

Agree with you again , therefore i said it's gonna be close .

Like he did in the rematch with Maidana and Castillo and with exceptional counterpunching and defensive skills , if we are talking about the best Mayweather.

Could be true.

Misunderstanding , talked about the entire era , Mayweather didn't fight as long in the lightweight division
as Duran.

It is no evidence, it is opinions. No disrespect , you made some good points this time , i appreciate your
enthusiasm .

 

He knew what they brought the first time too though. I just think he's confident enough in his abilities to fight the way he always fights, relying on his IQ and a basic strategy, and really needs to be pushed out of his comfort zone to sit down and say to himself "I can't hang with this guy on the inside, it will have to be an outside fight next time." And in both those rematches he's working very hard mentally to pick the exact moments to strike, move, and hold.

I don't disagree it would be a competitive fight. It would be a great match of skill. The rest of your post is fair. I don't insist that my opinion is right, I just like to debate with specifics. We can't ever say for sure who would beat who because boxing is full of surprises and flexible circumstances.

 

Finally , we hit the nail on the head , Duran vs Mayweather would be a close fight.
Duran could win and Mayweather could win ,under the right circumstances.
I believe that Mayweather would win , but the point is neither of them would get schooled and
the people who said that sh*t are either a Duran or a Mayweather hater.
So this thread is proven to be wrong , and the only loser of this thread is @Gannicus

 

You are an ignorant idiot , i am not an alt .
English is not my native tongue , how many languages can you speak ?
Paranoid pr*ck.