Roberto Duran

I wonder why?

 

...and Terrell? He called him Clay because he'd always done. Probably similar to why Dundee called him Clay too. :good

 

Duran's a saint as a person compared to some of the scum who have fought, fighters such as:

Carlos Monzon
Jake LaMotta
Michael Dokes
James Scott
Luis Resto
Jo-El Scott
James Butler


And countless others.

 

He used it. Wanna bet?

Terell was a guy who knew Clay. He'd called him Cassius from when he first met him. Just like Clay's mum and dad called him Cassius. If he wanted to be called Muhammad Ali by everyone he should have changed his name officially back then. I mean, how hard is that?

 

Of course not. Yet he called him Clay to the world's press on numerous occasions before the Ellis bout.

 

He seemed to like the white fighters funny enough. It didn't appear to bother him when Cooper or Chuvalo called him 'Clay'.

 

If a man tells you to call him Ali but you continue to call him Clay to get under his skin, then you are disrespecting him. Dundee did not refer to Ali as Clay to disrepect him. Dundee was in the habit of calling the man he worked with every day "Clay." Habits die hard. There is nothing political about that. Patterson knew Clay now desired to be called Ali, and he knew he did so for more than personal reasons, but also for political and religious reasons. So Patterson refusing to call him Ali was not only disrespecting the man but also expliciting seeking to engage Ali in a political dispute, which involved disrepecting his religion of Islam.

Here's the real horse**** in all this: You know there's a difference between Dundee calling Ali "Clay" and Patterson calling Ali "Clay," but are ignoring it because you can't admit you're wrong and want very much to hang on to you now obviously fallacious argument.

 

That's the point. This fellow knows this, Clay II. He's just being argumentative at this point because he lost the actual argument.

 

Yet Ali also was willing to turn the Frazier fight into the same political dispute--even when Frazier (unlike Ali) was not politically outspoken beforehand. Methinks Ali was much more sensitive about being insulted than he was about insulting others.

I mean, come on--inflicting an extra beating on Terrell and Patterson because they insulted him is childish, especially since that beating would be detrimental to their future as professional boxers.

 

Am I on a boxing site? You're concerned about boxers putting "extra beatings" on other boxers? Are you kidding?

 

I think Frazier was extra motivated by Ali's taunting in The Fight. Don't you? Do we call that an "extra beating"?