Roberto Duran's Top 10 Wins ?

Agree about Dejesus and Buchanan. Ken was the greater fighter, but Dejesus was better imo. Duran looked a handful for Ken but Dejesus was countering him all night in the 1st one.

 

I think Arguello was at his peak or very near it. His performance against Olivares 8 months later for the title is frequently rated as his best. Marcel blew him away. I had it 11-4.

 

In another thread I saw people say Duran's wins over DeJesus are rated so high, just because Esteban beat Roberto.

I disagree. DeJesus was unbeaten at LW aside from Duran.

Between them, the 3 judges managed to score 1 out of 45 rounds for the excellent champion Guts Ishimatsu, in the latter's 6th title defence. Rarely has a solid champion been shut out over the 15 round distance.

He followed that up by stopping the #4 ranked and 28-0 Hector Medina in 7 rounds.

Add the scalp of the unbeaten Ray Lampkin to those above and his unbeaten record at LW, Duran aside, and you get the flavour of a truly excellent LW.

 

Away with your agenda, John.

 

Arguello was still dangerous back then, for sure, defeating Legra in 1 round and Olivares soon after proves it. But come on, he wasn't prime. He was only 22 years and had only faced like 3 ranked men by the time he beat Olivares, he was still inexperienced at the world level and barely scraped by the smaller Olivares,

 

In your opinion, when did his prime begin? He was 37 pro fights into his career coming into Marcel. Maybe it was the style of the fighter. Arguello always struggled with Boxer-movers like Marcel. Duran-Arguello didn't happen only because Vilomar Fernandez got a decision over him.

 

The number of fights doesn't really matter that much if the fighters beaten were stiffs. He had hit his prime around the Fernandez fight, I'd say, probably a bit later. He had his greatest run of victories right after he lost to Fernandez.

 

Weirdly enough, I was remembering wrong. Arguello-fernandez fought after Duran-fernandez. Nevertheless, that would be late 70s. However, I have seen conflicting claims that Arguello was pretty much done by 28. But I maybe wrong. I remember him having a rather long prime. He was definitely finished by the pryor fights.

 

some good fighters on that list but Leonard is the only atg fighter there

 

To the best of my knowledge both Duran and Marcel were a year or more off even being rated. With hindsight (and maybe without) they were two promising green fighters on their way up.

As for Marcel being the second best fighter Duran ever beat, well i'll have a pound of whatever you are on.

If anything Marcel has become overrated and most times it's a cross between the nature of the forum with classic fighters and more so Duran fans looking to elevate him even further. There's been IMO an overcompensation. Don't get me wrong, he's a bloody good fighter but in the big scheme of things.......to claim him the second best fighter Duran ever beat is out of this world.

You also stated his performance against Olivares is frequently rated his best. I call absolute and utter BS on that.

Arguello's peak could solidly be argued to be around 79-80 and at 130 so you are half a decade off.

 

Old ESB says from somewhere around '75 to '80 which lines up with my original impression. Around 5-6 years. Marcel wasn't his peak, but not too far from it. I was remembering wrongly though. I thought chacon and edwards were in mid 70s, not late 70s.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/alexis-arguellos-prime.211534/

 

Yeah I was off on his Limon, chacon, Edwards run, which threw me off.

The Olivares fight was still a great performance and there are threads here that list it as such. I have no good reason to take only your word for it

As for Marcel, I like his style. He looks a special fighter. Whether he is overrated or not, I don't know. I see him mentioned rarely. I believe Arguello would do better but still lose to him even if he was prime. Arguello has consistently struggled with that style of fighter.

 

Well in that case feel free to provide some "frequent" sources stating it as his best performance rather than talking your continual **** and annoying long term members.

 

It's your choice being annoyed, long term member.