Robinson carried opponents to fix bets for the Mafia - But Who??

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  1. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Active Member Full Member

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    Do we have any idea which contenders he carried and which would of gone the distance anyway?
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I read the Sugar Ray Robinson biography in 1972, he told the mobsters that he did not want to do anything illegal for anybody. There was a mutual respect, he never reported this to the authorities. Rocky Graziano was the one that was mob controlled for awhile, see the 1956 motion picture, Somebody Up There Likes Me, starring Paul Newman as Rocky Graziano. Robinson was a square shooter like another of his contemporaries Archie Moore.
     
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  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    Slightly related, Ike Williams also did this.

     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robinson never took a dive ,but he carried some fighters.
     
  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good Post.
     
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  6. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    One title contender he agreed to carry was Charlie Fusari in 1948. He once said that Fusari was his toughest fight. Why? Robinson said "cause I had to fight 15 rounds for me and 15 rounds for him."
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    He told a story to Dave Anderson about accidentally knocking out Al Netlow with a hook. Just a reflex. He had to go to the fellas and explain. Blinky Palermo the guy around in the those days.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes,I read that and tried to find it the other day,but after looking through several books I gave up.
     
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  9. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    I often wondered how high his KO percentage would have been if he'd gone all out on everyone in his welterweight days.
     
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  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I've wondered the same thing. There was another fighter that Ray had agreed to carry because the guy had health problems and was gonna need to retire. Al Silvani was his trainer and he says "Robinson agreed to carry the guy, give him a payday"
    Robinson ask Silvani to go work with the guy. All Silvani knows is Robinson is giving him a payday.
    Fight starts and Ray is doing enough to win but carrying the guy too. Near the end of the 4th the dude (Lester)? Gets Ray near the ropes lands a decent punch but then the bell rings and he keeps punching through the bell. He comes back to the corner fired up. Tells Silvani "I got him now I'm gonna open up on him". Silvani says "all I know is the guy is getting a payday".
    Silvani says "dont open up cause he may close quick" .

    Sugar Ray walks out at the beginning of the 5th round waves his hands as if to say 'deals off'.
    Floats to the center of the ring and boom! Lefthook. Fight over!!!!
     
  11. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I got the impression that Sugar Ray Robinson carried some opponents to give the fans a show. But he did state that if the fans became dissatisfied with him carrying an opponent, he would make an effort to score a stoppage regardless how the gamblers felt about it. There also was a story that a referee warned Robinson due a lack of action during a bout. After Robinson was warned, things changed abruptly with Robinson stopping his opponent.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  12. Flash24

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    Who'd he carry Mc?
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good Post.
     
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  14. Johnny_B

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    This proves how good the Sugar Man was, he's the undisputed no. 1 p4p
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you think Fury carried Pianeta?

    Is Tyson Fury "mobbed up?"


    The UK Daily Mail calls him a “controversial boxing broker” before detailing how well regarded he is in the boxing community. It does not mention his role in the Kinahan organised crime group, unofficially known in Ireland as “the Cartel”.

    Similarly, laudatory articles on websites like British Boxing News also fail to mention his criminal past.

    Irish coverage is markedly different. Last week, the Irish Sun called him a “mob boss” and “drugs kingpin” in the first two lines of a piece while an opinion article in this newspaper last Saturday states “Daniel Kinahan’s role as boxing’s new kingmaker is no cause for Irish celebration”.

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