Robinson Opposition vs. Floyd?

The number of fights is what definitely separate the 2. It's easier to remain undefeated after 40 fights than say close to 200....

Floyd didn't finish his amateur career with 0 losses ! Who does anyways with taht many fights ?

Robinson only lossed once in his first like 130 fights !!!! That's insane !!
It's almost impossible to compare generations, there are so many things that come into play.

The thing is, if you fight as often as they use to back then, you obviously face more injuries and fight fatigue. Robinson not only had great talent but had heart and truly showed that his body could hold up to all the action he was involved in.

Could Floyd's hands handle fighting as often ? How many Castillo I type fights would he have to go through, a fight in which he was injured ? If you fight as often as Robinson did, then that's a high probability !!

Everything in today's world favors the boxers compared with the ones from Robinson's time : whether it's training methods; fight analysis using videos; quality of nutrition available; quality equipment available, etc....

At 147, if fights are properly spread out like in today's world, then possibly no one beats Floyd either.

 

Blasphemy..........Floyd can only dream.

 

Robinson beat more top 10 contenders and champions than Mayweather has had fights in total.
They don't even compare.

Mayweather claiming to be the best of all time because he never lost a fight is like claiming to be the best car driver of all time because one never crashed a car.
It's beyond ridicoulous.

 

Robinson fought 36 fights against hall of famers alone. Mayweather has had 40 fights

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He can think hes the greatest of all time in his own mind, but the facts dont lie, its impossible for him to accomplish what Ali and Robinson did in there careers.

 

lol


+1

 

Sugar Ray Leonard only had 36 wins in his career.


No one can touch what SRR did. Impossible.

 

That's why Leonard said there is no comparison between him and RR.
He didn't call himself better.

 

Wrong.
I checked every one of Robinson's opponents aginst the original Ring ratings (not the erronous Boxing Register).

Robinson went 44-13-1 against top 10 contenders or champions.

Here is a complete list for you:

SUGAR RAY ROBINSON's TOP 10 RATED OPPONENTS
Sugar Ray Robinson first appears in The Ring ratings on March 11, 1941.
He debuts at no. 7 in the lightweight division.

1941
Sammy Angott - No. 1 (lightweight)
Maxie Shapiro - No. 10 (lightweight)
Fritzie Zivic - No. 1 (welterweight)
- Robinson debuts at no. 1 in the welterwight ratings after win over Zivic.

1942
Friztie Zivic - No. 3
Norman Rubio - No. 9
Marty Servo - No. 7
Sammy Angott - World Champion Lightweight
Tony Motisi - No. 9
Jake La Motta - No. 10 (middleweight)
Izzy Janazzo - No. 10
Izzy Janazzo - No. 10

1943
Jake La Motta - No. 6 (middleweight) - LOSS
Jackie Wilson - No. 3
Jake La Motta - No. 1 (middleweight)
Henry Armstrong - No. 3

1944
Vic Dellicurti - No. 10 (middleweight)

1945
Tommy Bell - No. 7
Jake La Motta - No. 3 (middleweight)
Jose Basora - No. 6 (middleweight)
Jimmy McDaniels - No. 6
Jake La Motta - No. 1 (middleweight)

1946
Sammy Angott - No. 7
Joe Curcio - No. 10
Tommy Bell - No. 3 (wins vacant Welterweight title)

1947
Georgie Abrams - No. 3 (middleweight)
Jimmy Doyle - No. 6

1948
Bernard Docusen - No. 1
Kid Gavilan - No. 1

1949
Kid Gavilan - No. 1
Steve Belloise - No. 2 (middleweight)
- Robinson debuts at No. 1 at middleweight after win over Belloise.
- He still continues to hold the welterweight championship.

1950
George Costner - No. 2
Robert Villemain - No. 3 (middleweight)
Charley Fusari - No. 5
Robert Villemain - No. 4 (middleweight)

1951
Jake La Motta - World Champion Middleweight
- Robinson vacates welterweight title after win over La Motta.
Randy Turpin - No. 1 - LOSS
Randy Turpin - Wolrd Champion Middleweight

1952
Carl "Bobo" Olson - No. 5
Rocky Graziano - No. 9
Joey Maxim - Wolrd Champion Light-Heavyweight - LOSS
- Robinson retires for 30 months after loss to Maxim.

1955
Rocky Castellani - No. 2
Carl "Bobo" Olson - world Champion Middleweight

1956
Carl "Bobo" Olson - No. 1

1957
Gene Fullmer - No. 1 - LOSS
Gene Fullmer - World Champion Middleweight
Carmen Basilio - world Champion Welterweight - LOSS

1958
Carmen Basilio - world Champion Middleweight

1959
- No fights vs. top contenders

1960
Paul Pender - No. 8 - LOSS
Paul Pender - World Champion Middleweight - LOSS
Gene Fullmer - No. 1 - DRAW

1961
Gene Fullmer - No. 1 - LOSS
Denny Moyer - No. 9

1962
Denny Moyer - No. 9 - LOSS
Terry Downes - No. 3 - LOSS

1963
Ralph Dupas - No. 3 (welterweight)
Joey Giardello - No. 3 - LOSS

1964
- No fights vs. top 10 contenders

1965
Stan Harrington - No. 9 - LOSS
Joey Archer - No. 4 - LOSS
- Robinson retires after loss to Archer.

Overall record vs. top 10 contenders/world champions: 44-13-1

How's that for you, pal?:deal

 

I never said he did.

 

Irrelevant , despite Floyd's claims he will of course never be better than a top 4 ATG, and besides Robinson for the most part made the most part of his resumé at MW, a weight Floyd has never fought at and would I assume be too small for. If we are talking strictly his 147 resumé, Zivic, Armstrong (perhaps not the '43 version Ray fought) and Gavilan are all potential losses for Floyd on their day, as with a 147 version of Basilio.

 

I don't think Floyd is unrealistic enough to truly believe in his heart that career for career he outdoes Sugar Ray Robinson. His assertion that he's better than Sugar Ray Robinson is obviously on something else; perhaps his need to view himself as the greatest in order to be at his best. Ali called himself the greatest far before he ever achieved greatness and Floyd seems to be taking a page out of that book. Uncle Roger would probably tell Floyd he ain't know sh*t about boxing if Floyd truly believed at this point in his career that he's greater than SRR.