Robinson Opposition vs. Floyd?

Show me. This isn't some challenge, i'm genuinely curious, I can't pin it down. Freddie Roach:

"Oscar stopped cutting him off and started following him around."

This is my explanation of choice for the weakening of the jab's dominance in this fight; but show me, ifyou can show me a passage where the jab is definitively countered out, i'd be happy with that.


Regardless, Turpin throws a less predicatable punch. All his punches are less predicatble. Yeah, Floydian nightmater, I'd consider that Turpin has massive physical advantages and a style advantage. Floyd is faster. Not enough.

Wow.

First of all, Cockell was a tiny, tiny part of the post above. What he did was extend Rocky Marciano, who was the best HW of the era. Turpin, a middlweight, stopped Cockell. This illustrates Turpin's power as a puncher. Good enough to stop a guy who can extend the #1 heavy.

If you genuinely think that a guy like Ezzard Charles Or Charley Burley knew "1% of what they know now" you and I have nothing else to say to each other. But I will give you an opportunity to explain yourself.

Why? Because he won the WWF title?

Stop being obtuse, you know full well that the Ring editors don't sit down and work out who would beat who regardless of weight and then make a list.

 

**** off idiot, nobody cares what you say.

 

See I don't see it that way. I don't think Oscar gets countered more in the fifth round than in the second (on the jab). Although Mayweather isn't that accurate. He does find his range, but I think that Roach was right - I think Oscar tired, and he just wasn't in punching position. I don't think that he "solved" that punch at all.

Based upon what?

Hearns should definitely be favoured over Mayweather.

I can't see what's laughable about it; we agree that Moore is a master boxer, but he couldn't do as well against Marciano as Cockell did. At the very least it proves he is exceptional durable and that the smaller Turpin proved himself a power puncher by stopping him.

 

Yeah, I meant second, and have since edited. But let's have a look.
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5.20 Jab, not countered.

5.29 Jab, body, not countered.

5.44. Steward discusses how tense and tired Oscar looks. This is the deciding factor IMO.

6.10 Jab, not countered

6.33 Lampley: "Oscar De La Hoya should throw his jab more"

7:02 Jab, not countred.

7:09 Jab, not countered.

7:33 Jab, Mayweather counters.

TOTAL MAYWEATHER COUNTERS ON THE JAB IN ROUND FIVE: 1/6


I think this shows definitively that Oscar's jab wasn't countered out in round 5.

It's a straight punch rather than a wide one, so if you are off balance it's the hardest one to throw against an opponent who has space (think of landing a left hook on an opponent who moves right). But you are basically right, it was ood, odd.

So based on his out-boxing and out-thinking one of the greatest fighters in history twice (Robinson was behind on the cards when he stopped Turpin in II) you think he lacks ring intelligence?! Because I think they are two of the most intelligent ring performances by a British fighter, ever.

Regardless, you don't actually need to smart ifyou are much bigger, much stronger, much more powerful. Generally. But he was smart in the ring unless he was in with pressure. He was stoopid against Bobo for example.