Just thought i'd like to throw in that I personally think Floyd would get murdered by Carmen Basillio. As for Jake or Randy? If anyone actually thinks Floyd could beat them I suggest you stop smoking crack. I agree that Floyd is a supremely talented boxer, but he couldn't live with some of those guys at all. He's just not tough enough and thats the final answer. As an ATG I rate Shane higher as it stands, he had more balls, took more risks and carried the move up in weight better. I think he'll lose to Floyd at the age he is now, but he's had a better career for me. The '0' means **** all.
Hey Dude Props on the level of detail. Okay but you acknowledge that Floyd is countering Oscar and leading with the right. Would this not make Oscar reluctant to jab more often? I don't think Oscar tired against Floyd - I think he ran into technical difficulty when Floyd adjusted at the mid way point. In terms of Turpin - I think he gave Robinson fits with his unauthodox defence. SRR was extremely aggresive and was made to miss a lot. Ahead on points or not, Turpin was floored with a massive right hand in the 2nd fight and stopped. He was successful but he lost when Ray was on song. I've not seen Turpin in with with Bobo but I have seen SRR stop Olsen with an arcade like combination in a second round knockout. Can't say I rate Olsen too highly although he was good in his time. Floyd can't win history fights because the old school guys fought in wars that are revered to this day. However, in my opinion Floyd would outbox Basilio, Turpin, La Motta, Fulmer et al if these guys weighed the same (ie. pound for pound match up). He's too advanced in terms of skill and technique for any of them. Floyd against SRR is a completely different fight. Robinson was a marvel on the footage we have and it's a shame we can't get seeing the best of him at 147.
At the end of the day though, Robinson is naturally bigger so it actually isn't 10% fair for Floyd. That said, Robinson is just better outright.
In pound for pound match ups? They would have been tough fights but I pick Floyd over all of them if we imagine these guys all fighting in the same weight class. It's surprising to me how few people realise how special Floyd is. It remembers me of when a lot of people pissed all over sweetpea. Embarrasing!
I honestly believe that a hypothetical match-up assuming they are in the same weight class is absurd. It only means Calderon will beat Vlad easily because Calderon will run around Vlad for a decision victory. It won't work I guess. That is why we have to also add their resume, their actual performance against their opponents. Or in this case, imagining pitting Mayweather against Robinson's opponents, at 160. What was the highest weight he showed up, 154? Then let that 154 Mayweather face Basilio, La Motta, Turpin, and see what he can do. Just a thought, do you see Mayweather beating Martinez or Pavlik at 160? Or Williams at 154? Until he faces them, their will be doubts on whether he can compete and win against the MWs Robinson fought, because we do not have any proof if he would still be effective at MW.
You're entitled to your opinion, but there's nothing obvious about those guys beating him. LaMotta for example would have the size advantage, but technique and ability wise he's below Floyd.
That's not an unreasonable thing to say; however, in terms of him actually facing the men Robinson fought, I can't see that Mayweather has any sort of case versus the best middleweights. Here he is at welterweight: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVCI332QjQI[/ame]
The comments on the youtube page seem to indicate that this fight was closer to middleweight but it's definately special stuff and I've never seen it before.
Mayweather would beat all of them. Robinson would also beat all of Mayweather's opoents. Kid Gavilan would give Mayweather the most trubble. Shane Mosley would be Robinson's toughest test.
Robinson could beat all of Maywather's competition but Mayweather would not beat all of Robinson's without taking a few losses. Robinson couldn't do it either. No fighter could that belonged at those weights. It was a murderers row for any fighter of any era. Just like the 70's era lightheavyweights and heavyweights. There were too many very good, great, and ATG fighters for someone to go undefeated without ducking in order to remain undefeated. There are some eras of some weight divisions that were very tough to compete in and come out unscathed for any fighter.
I think Gavilan had the perfect style to beat Floyd. You don't exactly have to be as skillful as Floyd to beat him like Castillo proved. Robinson fought alot of great fighters, but Gavilan took Robinsons best shots and Robinson has quoted saying Gavilan was his hardest fights. He wasn't the hardest puncher, but Gavilan just kept on punching and had one of the best chins in all boxing history. He was a great volume puncher and I think other than Robinson Gavilan outpunches Floyd and makes him work overtime. The fight with him and Johnny Bratton was amazing. Who ever said old timers were slower and weaker back then don't know ****. Oh, and by the way, like Winky Wright in his prime, he wasn't a big puncher or ko artist, but had enough in his punches to keep any fighter humble. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imPJLHLt5EM[/ame]