Robinson vs. Jones: Who's better?

Left hook vs Thulani Malinga was equally good.

 

All the waffle about "athletic ability", "talent level", "natural gifts" etc. is meaningless. So is all this stuff about "skill".

I'd rate Robinson higher. Mostly because he beat more guys up for more years, and many of them were famed/great fighters.

 

Robinson in all categories.

Jones was great, Robinson was the greatest.

 

Utterly ridiculous, I hope for your sake you`re trolling.

 

Always thought Roy had the talent to be maybe the best ever, but it never really panned out for him. Robinson is the best ever and stands above Roy in every catagory

 

roy jones himself has called robinson the greatest fighter to ever live on a number of occasions. jones was breathtaking at this best and from the little film we have of prime robinson he's basically a perfect fighter.

jones has also said that in a prime for prime matchup, he would have beat robinson even thought he considers ray the best. he reasoning is that he'd be too big for ray. jones pointed out that he started out basically at middle and was in his prime at 168 where ray started at 135 and was in his prime at 147.

 

Not close, Jones was far far harder to hit than Robinson, but his punch slipping it down to reflex if you like, he's leagues better defensively than Robinson

Yes Jones resume is underrated, he beat 20 something champions. The fact you think Paz is 1 of his best wins, shows you really didn't follow boxing closely during the period

Hill had been a champion for what 10 years, McCallum an ATG, Reggie Johnson was arguably unbeaten and 2 weight champ, with wins over Collins, an SD with Toney, Mallinga twice beat Benn and took Rochiagiani and Eubank to the wire, Tarver was the next champion, Gonzalez beat Darius, Harding beat the next champion in Tarver and Griffin. He beat plenty of fighters who went onto win titles after he beat him like Hopkins, Woods, Gonzalez, Lucas, Castro, Malinga

People hype up Robinson's resume talking about hall of famers, but allot of those HOFamers just aren't that good. Graziano being a case in point, a brawler with a punch who avoided nearly all the best of his era.

Lamotta, Fullmer and Basilio are basic pressure guys, tough and relentless but none of them that great. These aren't the P4P best guys from his era. Galivan probably is, as are Burley, Pep, Charles, Moore, Charles, Marshall. Galivan is the best P4P Robinson fought alongside an old Armstrong, Jones fought 2 men who would be top2 P4P boxers in Hopkins and Toney.

Robinson won the MW title 5 times, how many times did he lose it though?

You say Robinson beat 6 Undisputed champs, did those undisputed champs take on the coloured champion? I think it's more, out of the undisputed champs and belt holders in his era Jones faced allot of them

Robinson faster than Jones now, seriously atsch

Yes Jones left hook was faster, shorter, sharper, more accurate and yes more powerful

And no Robinson doesn't have better stamina prime for prime, Jones fights at a faster pace than Robinson in his filmed fights

Killing an opponent has nothing to do with power, Jesus Chavez killed an opponent, do you rate him as an all time puncher?

 

:rofl

 

Different level of competiton. Fullmer had one of the great chins. He was also the Middleweight Champion of the World at the time he walked into that hook.

 

Regarding defence with his great jab and excellent footwork Robinson's could have been anything he wanted it to be. The thing is he also loved a fight and he ended up in many toe to toe fights.

 

91 fights, how many were actually world beaters? It's meaningless, he does have a better chin though but Jones first 15years in boxing saw no one stop him and durability does decline with age

Armstrong and Graziano was past prime too, every fighter faces past prime opponents

I know full well about Basilio

Robinson's defence just wasn't that great, it was a ***** in his armour

It was a great KO, it doesn't mean Robinson has a better left hook, Jones also has the destruction of LHW champ Griffin with his left hook

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCr_igXBWRk[/ame]

 

^ By all means argue whatever you want on the basis of "abilities" but this is just crap.

 

Yo PP,

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717012-roy-jones-jr-power-rankings-his-10-best-wins

Yes, Vinnie IS one of Roy’s 10 best wins as pathetic as that is.

Are you sure you are paying attention to the facts and not looking at Roy through those rose colored glasses?

Getting 20 Something ABCDEFG paper strap scrappers scalps is not that big a deal today since we have so many watered down weight divisions and so many champs in each division from so many ABC orgs. I’m not impressed. You shouldn’t be either…

Robinson, on the other hand, went 40-0 as a pro before losing a decision to Jake Lamotta, a middleweight who outweighed him by nearly 16 pounds.

He was unbeatable for the next eight years going on a 91 bout winning streak.

That one streak alone is about 50% greater than Roy’s entire career.

Now when you bring up Ray’s losses you doom YOUR man in terms of legacy.

Robinson’s total record is 175-19-6 2 NC with 109 kayo’s. 16 of his 19 losses came after his first comeback at age 34, 12 after the age of 40.

Now let us compare Roy’s record after age 34!!
When was Robinson EVER sparked? Where are his 3 fight losing streaks – Roy has a pair of them.

Robinson, far past his best and over his best weight, consistently and repeatedly won and recaptured world titles. Roy? Not so much… Not any at all actually.

Robinson was absolutely outstanding in rematches. He won rematches against 11 men before finally losing twice to the same fighter. No one ever beat him twice until he was 40 years old and had over 150 fights and even then they were two split-decisions.

Against this we have Roy’s fabulous once in a lifetime – well once in Roy’s lifetime anyway, victory over Montel Griffith which is the only loss he ever avenged…

BTW since you are so impressed with Roy's top 2 wins you must be a HUGE Calzaghe fan! He has better "top two" wins than Roy does!